Epona wrote: Let's jump in here with a really controversial topic, eh?
So, incest. Our immediate reaction is disgust, for most people. But isn't that what people felt about homosexuality, when it was less acceptable in society? Aren't we only disgusted by it because society tells us to? If you think about it, isn't it just two people in love?
Let's have some good arguments here, pro and against. Firstly though, 1. I don't practise incest myself, so lets not have accusations - I don't have a crush on my brother even though I think incest is fine, just as there are straight people who think homomosexuality is fine. 2. I know there are risks of birth defects etc, but lets imagine a responsible relationship where the couple uses contraception and adopts if they want children.
What do people think?
i think you pretty much summed up whatever i would've said there. Its its similar to homosexuality in the fact that it is just two people in love and its like... people who do incest are sort of experiencing what gay people went through loads of years ago. i think the reason people don't like them is that they sexualize them. (also what they do with us, straights i mean) and most of the time its like, "dude you slept with your sister!!!" because they can't see past the love thing and they just think about sex. Also is there anything wrong with gay incest? i'm not saying i'd do it. its just, we can't reproduce with each other and if the person is your long lost half brother or something and you don't know when you first meet them, then what's the problem? The royal family, there's something to do with them about incest.. like keeping the bloodline pure or whatever. come to think of it wasn't incest like really big a couple of centuries ago? I'm sure i've heard of people marrying all sorts of relatives in those times p.s. I'm sorry if any of this has already been said but again i couldn't be bothered reading all of the other posts because i'm too tired and its like 5 to 1 in the morning (Woo school tomorrow woo lol) Dannyi use the worst pictures for this site so i don't get hit on by randy 18 yr olds lol its happened!
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/04/23 18:55
By: Tessen
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i guess in a totally logical sense, there would be nothing wrong with it except for the birth defects, but our whole society/existences are built on certain premises...logical or not.
the thing that this topic brings up in my mind is that struggle between society and the individual...where does "myself" begin? where does society end? which thoughts are mine? etc... stop screwing with our minds I have homework to do and now uve got me all distracted.
but it seriously is food for thought... its almost kind of paradoxical how we (humans) claim individuality or consciousness, and yet so much of our existence is based on influence and backgrounds...
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/04/26 03:08
By: Joe Lean
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There was a gay incest story that made me think the other day. One of the characters turned out to be his boyfriend's uncle or something and he said "isn't incest just for keeping stupid straight people from having kids with too many limbs" or something. I ain't sure, and I wouldn't do incest myself but on the other hand maybe its another taboo that'll be tackled, just like homosexuality was in recent years.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/04/28 13:10
By: Steely Dan
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There is no reason anyone shouldn't be allowed to have sex, as long as you're not hurting them without consent; eg STI or socially. Anyone who is pro any kind of sex law is a Nazi.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/01 16:03
By: dragon_14
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Steely Dan wrote: There is no reason anyone shouldn't be allowed to have sex, as long as you're not hurting them without consent; eg STI or socially. Anyone who is pro any kind of sex law is a Nazi.
I'm not sure whether I agree with that or not, but that may be because I'm unclear what you mean by 'hurting' and the entire post seems a bit vague to me.
I think part of the issue (to the main topic here) is that when people think of incest they think of issues such as the man thta locked up his daughter from the time she was 19 and had something like 7 kids with her. With that being the main type of thought when people talk about incest and the major type of example that is cited it makes the debate a non-strater. Find a way to get people to look beyond that, and to not have such events pop into their head as what incest is, and then things may be taken more logically by way of debate by the vast majority. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/06 20:00
By: Steely Dan
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dragon_14 wrote: Steely Dan wrote: There is no reason anyone shouldn't be allowed to have sex, as long as you're not hurting them without consent; eg STI or socially. Anyone who is pro any kind of sex law is a Nazi.
I'm not sure whether I agree with that or not, but that may be because I'm unclear what you mean by 'hurting' and the entire post seems a bit vague to me.
I think part of the issue (to the main topic here) is that when people think of incest they think of issues such as the man thta locked up his daughter from the time she was 19 and had something like 7 kids with her. With that being the main type of thought when people talk about incest and the major type of example that is cited it makes the debate a non-strater. Find a way to get people to look beyond that, and to not have such events pop into their head as what incest is, and then things may be taken more logically by way of debate by the vast majority.
I mean it doesn't matter who it is having sex, if they both have a positive overal experience there's no reason to be against it. Unless unlawfull sex emits green-house gas... WHO is having the sex is totally irrelevent, it's what they do during sex that matters. Like if a man were to get his daughter pregnant and she had an incest related birthing problem, than we would look at the daughter's ability to consent; was she drunk, did he have finanial, legal, social power over her. You could say in most cases the fact that he is her father gives him a power over her that removes her ability to consent, making these incest related problems his fault and therefore he should be punished for it. However in a case where it was clear she made a well-informed choice to have unprotected sex with her father, they would be equally responsable.
It would be like if he had an infection and didn't tell her; she didn't consent to having sex with someone who has an STI so he should be punished. However if he were to say to her, 'I have aids and you may get if from having sex with me, your choice' and she decided to, her informed consent should make it lawfull.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/07 18:52
By: dragon_14
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Steely Dan wrote: dragon_14 wrote: Steely Dan wrote: There is no reason anyone shouldn't be allowed to have sex, as long as you're not hurting them without consent; eg STI or socially. Anyone who is pro any kind of sex law is a Nazi.
I'm not sure whether I agree with that or not, but that may be because I'm unclear what you mean by 'hurting' and the entire post seems a bit vague to me.
I think part of the issue (to the main topic here) is that when people think of incest they think of issues such as the man thta locked up his daughter from the time she was 19 and had something like 7 kids with her. With that being the main type of thought when people talk about incest and the major type of example that is cited it makes the debate a non-strater. Find a way to get people to look beyond that, and to not have such events pop into their head as what incest is, and then things may be taken more logically by way of debate by the vast majority.
I mean it doesn't matter who it is having sex, if they both have a positive overal experience there's no reason to be against it. Unless unlawfull sex emits green-house gas... WHO is having the sex is totally irrelevent, it's what they do during sex that matters. Like if a man were to get his daughter pregnant and she had an incest related birthing problem, than we would look at the daughter's ability to consent; was she drunk, did he have finanial, legal, social power over her. You could say in most cases the fact that he is her father gives him a power over her that removes her ability to consent, making these incest related problems his fault and therefore he should be punished for it. However in a case where it was clear she made a well-informed choice to have unprotected sex with her father, they would be equally responsable.
It would be like if he had an infection and didn't tell her; she didn't consent to having sex with someone who has an STI so he should be punished. However if he were to say to her, 'I have aids and you may get if from having sex with me, your choice' and she decided to, her informed consent should make it lawfull.
Much clearer now, thank you Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/12 10:06
By: Football_Boy
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Eh I think it's gross but technically I've done it... I made out with the girl who became my step-sister a week later (our parents didn't tell us they were getting married), but since there's no blood relation I guess it's TECHNICALLY not incestual.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/17 18:01
By: Soulfire
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Live and let live, I suppose.
Make it consensual and it's alright.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/17 21:56
By: samh004
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I guess with incest the main problem is what happens if you get your family member pregnant, as the baby would have birth defects etc. The other issue is coercion, but that can happen in any sort of relationship.
Personally I don't see a problem with it for say two brothers or something like that, there's not going to be any birth defects there unless one of them grows a uterus, but if you start saying only gays can do it then you end up where marriage is for straight people right now.
Everyone needs to have the same rights.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/19 03:48
By: BravoLima
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Men and women can have sex besides vaginal sex. It's really not that difficult, there are many more orifices to be used You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Incest
Date: 2008/05/26 19:37
By: YesVirginia
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honestly...i think its fine. i don't see a problem with it. (I think having sex with my sister is a disgusting thought, but then having sex with women is a disgusting thought in general, so..) Just don't make babies because then there's a much higher risk for genetic disorders.
I have homework to do and now uve got me all distracted. 
I ain't sure, and I wouldn't do incest myself but on the other hand maybe its another taboo that'll be tackled, just like homosexuality was in recent years.
