I've had arguments with alot of people about this. No, "God" (if he exsists) doesn't hate homosexuals, he hates what they do, and as it says in the bible or something, we have to try to "fight the temptation". I don't really believe in god, so that means nothing to me. Im basicly more spiritual/wiccan/bhuddist belief wise. What do you guys think?
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 03:04
By: hamishrp
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I have a couple of views on this...
1. IF GOD EXISTS, it would be a strange thing for him to hate people on the basis that they are gay. I didn't choose to be gay. And when i 'became' gay - at puberty, i wasn't innocent enough not to expect it: i never had a desire to be gay or wanted to be gay before puberty. Why would god hate something that is innocently and unintentionally turned out to be gay? It would be like him hating anyone who is covered in red paint: consider the following... A man is walking along the road and for whatever reasons someone accidentally spills a bucket of red paint over him from a balcony above him. He did not expect this to happen to him, and he can do nothing about it - the red will never come off because it is magical (just use your imagination: if you find this hard to imagein, replace the paint with acid: he will always be changed by the effects).
Why would god hate someone who just turned out to be red in the course of his life? Why would he hate someone who turned out to be gay!?
We turn out to be human. We start as a group of cells, a group of cells which turn out to be a feotus, which turn out to be an unborn baby, which turns out to be a human etc... the human turns out to be white, be black. We turn out to be gay! And what?
2. So If god does hate gay people... what can we do about it? Our natures are as such that we cannot change our sexualities (although naive religious people might say otherwise). It's ingrained in human nature and society (goes back to the Greek times when it was a standard thing). What are we to do? Stop ourselvelves from being gay! That's rediculous because i am not gay because i have sex with men, but because i am attracted to men. And i cannot stop being attracted to men, although I can stop having sex with men. Anyone who says "that's fine then, god's ok with you so long as you don't have sex" is clearly wrong. It would be like god hating people who chop wood but not lumber jacks.
So basically: if god does hate gay people it would be an odd thing to do. And even if he does, then we can't do anything about it anyway!
Post edited by: hamishrp, at: 2006/06/19 07:09 Hamish!
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 04:46
By: Nait_Boi
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God loves all his children. Gay, Straight whatever. God Created us (I'm saying this on the bases of believing him) Thus God made us gay. Why would he/she/it hate what they made?
Anyways...God never came out and said that he/she/it hated gays. It was the word of man who said God hates gays. God only asked for our faith...We were even given a list of ten things to NOT do or become...Please, someone point out "Thou shall not be a homosexual" for me....I must have missed it
Anyways, that is my thoughts...God is tolerante and understanding, humans are not. God is right, humans are not always right...Just keep that in mine next time a person tells you that you will burn in hell for being a homosexual ...If we do burn, save me an extra warm spot
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 05:43
By: Canada_Boy
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I'm a bisexual, and christian...a lot of people ask me how i can be with god hating me and all...I just say...whoever said that god hates gays are evil!...well, i don't say that, but u know what i mean!
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 06:47
By: Petey
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I think it says homosexuality is a sin in the bible, but didnt it also say that if you belive in jesus all your sins are forgiven? If god hates gays then he hates people who lie just as much. and people who have sex before there married or whatever the sin is. Thats how i see it as. thats all assuming god is real.
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 11:54
By: Unknown_101
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If god was real, then he would have created all of the universe, the animals and the humans. god is meant to be benevolent (good)(the devil being evil) so why would he create people that would be dammed for all eternity for being themselves.
The logical conclusion is the god does not exist.
Therefore if god does not exist, so who cares if we r gay, bi or str8, Only religious people who r full of themselves (and the religion) with too much time on there hands. -Unknown_101
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 15:14
By: hamishrp
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I don't think that is a logical conclusion. The conclusion might be that a) God created things which he doesn't like. It would be odd. And it would make God not all loving. But it would not make him non existant. it may make the christian god implausible, not necc. non existant.
As I said in my post. It would be an odd thing for God to do. And if he did do it, we can't do anything about it - so we shouldn't even worry about what God thinks.
It's much easier to argue like this ASSUMING that god exists. What i said shows that we shouldn't worry about it EVEN IF he does. You do not need to prove that god does not exist in order to be find a resolution. Hamish!
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/19 22:53
By: Shadowfox
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I'm a Wicca-Christian, It's a mix of both religions, But I take the wicca side on homosxuality and say that sexuality is a gift from God and to be used in a respectable way that makes us happy <center><img src="http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5248/shadowfoxbanner3qg.png" border="0" width="428" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></center>
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/20 03:36
By: MyImmortal
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Hamishrp, I couldnt disagree with you more. Homosexuality is not a random event, it is something we grow into. As we get older we start to prefer one sex over another.And personally, i knew i was gay before puberty. I am wiccan/bhuddist beliefs. It is niave to believe in god if you ask me. You believe blindly on the fact that mostpeople in the world do. Its called the biggest bandwagon ever.
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/20 03:51
By: hamishrp
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Hamishrp, I couldnt disagree with you more. Homosexuality is not a random event, it is something we grow into.
I couldn't agree with you more! You have misread my posts. I believe that we become a particular sexuality. I'm not saying that it is by chance, but it is not something that we decided, or that we - or anyoen else - could have predicted would happen. When i say by chance, i mean it in a subjective and not litteral way ("I turned out gay"). Of course in reality there is some emperical reasoning to do....
As we get older we start to prefer one sex over another.
Are you saying that you were straight before you were gay? You started to be gay rather than straight! That would make you quite rare! Excluding bisexual people, most gay people tend to just like boys and any 'liking' of girls is not 'real'. For me and many others i didn't start prefering boys over girls: i simply started liking boys!
It is niave to believe in god if you ask me.
Whilst I don't believe in God and am sure of my thinking this, i think it is rational to believe in God. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to do some academic groundwork before making these claims. You have made an assumption in the same way you assumed that i was religious.
It is in fact easier to argue about this without bringing in the debate of "does god exist". The question here is that "IF GOD did exist, COULD HE hat egay people?". Not "Does God Exist? And if the answer to the last question is yes, does the said god hate gay people?"
Answers start with understanding questions Hamish!
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/20 08:02
By: bigwillie
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If god created us or helped create us it's not logical to believe that he would hate us. And if being homesexual is a sin, then god will forgive us. People sin all of the time, and it is not just gay people, everyone sins, all of the time, that is why god brought jesus to us to forgive us of our sins. God seems like a tolerant person and why should he not accept everyone, he knows that no one is perfect.
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Re:Does god hate us?
Date: 2006/06/20 08:17
By: the jaymster
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No, god doesn't hate us, but his "trusty" followers do. Honestly, I believe that life is a test from god. He then gives everyone specific tests--some people are born with one leg, some are bipolar, and others are gay. It's just a test from him. He doesn't hate us, and everybody has some sort of test from god. Your goal and purpose in life is to pass that test.
Another thought: God never said being gay was a sin--it was human beings that said this. Sure, it may mention in the bible--loosely--but the bible was written by human beings... not god.
Post edited by: the jaymster, at: 2006/06/20 12:19 Much love! :-* -The Jaymster
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