Now more than ever we see a rise in around the whole world. In Africa we see supresion of people. Such as in Darfur, Rwanda, etc. But we are also seing a rise in the conflict between religions. Judaism and Islam fallowers are always battling. The rise in hate crimes in Europe but also the idea that Islam is trying to invade Europe has cause more violence towards minorities in European countries. Around the world poverty and conflict have cause migration of many to countries that are ecomically stable. And the people of those nations see the new commers as invaders. So this is the question: How can we live peacefully? If we were in an ideal world how could we achieve this?
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2007/11/16 03:26
By: BravoLima
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Have you heard Paul McCartney's Imagine?
'Imagine a world without religion, nothing to kill and die for.'
A remarkable song that's been emulated many times since. It talks about the problems with territories and religions causing conflicts. It's one world, if we could live as one. However, this has been tried before, in the form of world domination by a number of leaders. Doesn't really work in practice. You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2007/11/16 10:50
By: Regret
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To eliminate larger wars and injustice would be the same as eliminating conflict in general. However:
1. There is massive inequality in the world, I don't need to remind you that the majority of the wealth and resources in th world are controlled by the minority of the population. 2. Conflicts exist so long as there is inequality. 3. The rich do not wish to have a lower standard of life by sharing resources equally. If we shared all resources equally between everyone on the planet then I guaruntee that every person lucky enough to read this forum would see their personal welath and quality of life decrease. 4. The rich have more influence than the poor. 5. The rich are less effected by conflict than the poor, a child in Darfur will be more affected by conflict than Bill Gates. 6. Therefore conflict will continue.
Possible solutions may include:
1. Global elimination of all religion. 2. Complete and immediate eradication of third world debt. 3. Give all surplus food stocks produced by state intervention buying* to developing countries. 4. Allowing no country receiving external aid within a war stricken area to maintain a military. Instead full united nation peace keeping support will be guaranteed. 5.Weapons embargoes on countries of poor human rights records. 6.Fair Trade laws to be made compulsury for developed countries importing from developing countries.
*Intervention buying is when an economic entity will try and keep prices from dipping too low (for the benefit of farmers) by buying large amounts of a product form the market, this can be sold or otherwise is destroyed, this is millions of tonnes of grain per year that could help developing countries. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, only naughtier.
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2007/11/16 22:30
By: BravoLima
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Ah dang, I hit a wrong note.
It was John Lennon's Imagine. Bought to my attention by a rabid Beatles fan that now wants my head on a silver platter You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/14 05:58
By: C_shan
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My personal opinion, which seems to always invoke critisim, is that war is essential for peace. Many people were against the war in Iraq since the beginging, and I admire them for staing up for something that they believe in. However, the war took out of power one of the most ruthless dictators that this time had known. Sadam Hussein killed thoudands of his own people because they didn't agree with him. Whenever war is discussed the negatives always seem to outshine the positives. I will say that way is violent, and it causes suffering for some people, but overall if the intentions of the country are good, then the war is good. The United States has a policy of Realpolitik towards other countries, this means that we will do what is in the best interest of our country regardless of ethics and morals. Many other countries look at us as war happy, and obnoxious. That couldn't be more wrong. When the sunami happened a few years back we were the first country there with aid for the survivors. We were also the first in Dafur during the genocides. In saying that, how many other countries came to our aid when Louisiana was ravished by hurricane Katrian...none!!! The United states uses war for foreign policy goals. I will never apologize for that.
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/14 14:20
By: dragon_14
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I would agree that war is sometimes necessary, however intentions of the country is a very bad place to put justification, at least in my opinion. I say this because intentions can be very good for the country or fo others and things can go very wrong, or their facts may be wrong, or the good tehy see may not be in all fact a good. I bring up the fact that the german government that started the second world war under hitler had what they would call good intentions. Perhaps it goes to say something that history is written by the victors, but everything that the nazis did came from original good intentions to bring Germany out of the depression and to improve the human race through eugenics.
Something that should be looked at before a war is the reasons for going into that war, after teh war is over the effects should also be considered. I would oppose the war in Iraq given that the reasons for it were not good, the reasons they have for the war now, however, are more justified... but the fact that they changed their reason for being there is also worrying...
That being said I would be opposed to the americans pulling out of Iraq now (where pullign out is simply taking out all the troops quickly), they made a mess and now they need to clean it up. If they were to leave Iraq would more likely then not fall into civil war.
The cost of peace is constant vigilance. To have peace one needs to be ready for war. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/14 22:02
By: gavinsteeves
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There is no single way to eliminate war, but I do believe war can be eliminated. (To be clear, I define war as large endeavours by nations or armies or other groups against other nations or armies or groups, which require a great deal of organizing, and which are potentially profitable for certain interests. This is different from conflict, a broader thing which I don't think can EVER be eliminated, but which can be reduced and made healthier.)
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/17 08:14
By: Batty_Ben
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There will always be war.
People think differently and have different ideals... They will always find someone/something to fight about...
To quote Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet;
Thou! why, thou wilt quarrel with a man that hath a hair more, or a hair less, in his beard, than thou hast: thou wilt quarrel with a man for cracking nuts, having no other reason but because thou hast hazel eyes: what eye but such an eye would spy out such a quarrel? Thy head is as fun of quarrels as an egg is full of meat, and yet thy head hath been beaten as addle as an egg for quarrelling: thou hast quarrelled with a man for coughing in the street, because he hath wakened thy dog that hath lain asleep in the sun: didst thou not fall out with a tailor for wearing his new doublet before Easter?
There will always be people like this and so there will always be fighting. And one person's utopia will be different to the next persons... Normally people who start wars are the small minded people who think that everyone has to have the same visions. They think that their thoughts are perfect and so to get everyone to follow, they start war.
Ben x
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/17 14:40
By: optimus_prime
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XD, John lennon's Imagine I think, and Yeah, It's a great example!!! =]
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/17 14:40
By: optimus_prime
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I think the whole "Lifeboat Britain" thing is a little scary. For those who have not heard of it's about Global warming, and how people think it will increase the temperatures around the equator. Causing many farmers to grow different types of grain in drier conditions, and will yield less product. The thought is that the British have already researched this, and have stock piled on nuclear supplies and submarines. Countries like Canada (I’m from Canada =]), Russia and Britain will benefit, as there will be more land suitable to farming that is to cold/covered in snow right now. According to Gwynne Dyer, it is the fact that places that are industrialized, with weapons like Italy, and the United States because they are suffering (they will be affected by drought) will try and get more food from the benefiting countries but there will not be enough. So war will occur. I LOVE all the people I have meet here, I don’t want anyone to go to war. Everyone will just have to migrate 50Km North/South, depending on which half of the earth you live on.
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Re:War and Peace
Date: 2008/01/18 01:11
By: BravoLima
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S_shan, I ought to reach through the monitor and slap you myself.
Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator, there's no denying that. But take a look around at the area... it's vicious. There was more security for the masses under him then there is now. Sure, minorities here and there took a fall, but it's the lesser of two evils. Take Putin, the president of Russia; many things he's done can be considered borderline dictatorial, yet under him the economy has boomed (almost to a point where the country's sustainable) where Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who were key figures in tearing down the iron curtain and setting up democracy (which is a good thing, isn't it?) blundered the country into a state of economic collapse, with general living conditions declining to a 4th of what they were under USSR dictatorship.
Ever since George Bush has shoved his democratic fist down Iraq's throat (something the U.S. looked heavily down upon at the USSR for doing with communism), it's been regurgitating ever since then.
The U.S. has received unwanted critism and hate in the past for it's foreign policy, now it's receiving terrorists. If the country had some earnest leaders with their own country in mind, they'd drop a lot of their foreign 'Realpolitik'
Come back and tell me no one helped. Even Russia helped you, and they're definitely not close relatives.
And who had the great idea of building a city under the water level? Ever read the legend of Ys?
I'm sorry buddy, but you're the stereotypical egocentric U.S. citizen (You realise there are other American countries don't you?) that thinks the world starts and ends with the U.S. Which is a real shame, because I've known online some tremendous people from the U.S. that would likely turkey-slap you into a deep coma right about now.
Post edited by: dragon_14, at: 2008/01/18 13:23 You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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