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Date: 2006/11/12 16:54
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I don't think we need to dress in any way to prove to straight ppl that we are normal. Do we owe the straight community an explanation? I don't think so. If you want to dress normally, fine. If you want to dress as a peacock, fine!
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2006/11/12 17:25
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of course there's the debate that if gay people want to be treated like "normal" people they have to act like "normal" people. Sadly when normality was unofficially defined homosexuality was NOT on the agenda of recognition. So you get some gay people (like me) who act effeminate, to a larger or lesser degree, which might affect how the person dresses, from looking just a bit femme to full crossdressing, and to allot of people that just ain't right...
They just have to get used to it sadly
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2006/11/12 22:05
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I hear the argument for both sides. You need you more feminine and more masculine gay and lesbian people!!!!! What I'd like to see is when people express themselves that their is less judging and more understanding and empathy. We need more people who understand and therefore we will break stigma and release prejudices. We have had wars and genocide when will we ever read hsitory text book with the lets not do that again in mind.
So lets try to understand each other more especially as a gay and lesbian community and try to put our hands together instead of single handedly
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2006/11/24 21:41
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There's no pride march in my city.
I'm sure there's a pride march in bigger cities, like Buenos Aires and Rosario, but nothing like that happens in my city.
I don't know, and you'd think I'm kinda weird, but I don't enjoy the idea of marching about that too much.
Dunno why 
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Date: 2006/11/25 20:25
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By: moros
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I've only been to one pride event, the Pink Picnic in Cambridge (UK). That was what I think a pride event should be -- it was popular with both gay and straight people and it really showed the community in a good light. I think this is what we need more of...
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2007/01/09 03:04
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Alright so maybe pride parades have gotten out of hand. But then again, they are entire days dedicated to supporting what we believe in. It may not be expressed in a way you might choose, but at least they care enough to make an action, to try. I give them credit just for that.
Now, for the other side:
Bazzy,
Where are you coming from? Its mindsets like yours that give close-minded people the stereotype they think of about gay people. As a gay man you should understand the neccesity of acceptance in our community.
Using the vile language, phrases and suggestions that you did (look below to see how many times you swore: 7 times) makes your opinion intolerable. Try being kind and not offensive to appeal to people and make them seeing them see things your way, it might work better than telling them off.
I do not feel the need to go walk down the street with a bunch of people that I have nothing in common with just for an excuse to get drunk and be all over some strange girl I've never seen before. I guess I don't understand why you would want to encourage the idea of gay people being promiscious partiers, it just makes no sense.
As for "signing up" for the gay lifestyle, I'm glad you had that option. Most of us here didn't get to choose whether or not we were gay...we were born that way. Furthermore, why are you willing to admit that the reason you are proud of being gay is so that you can spend your youth drinking and having sex. I, for one, and proud of being gay because it shows my acceptance of myself and of others. Unlike people like yourself, I try my hardest not to judge ANYONE (even people I disagree with) because it is important to me that people feel they can come to me when they need to be safe.
What authority do you have to decide what stereotype gay people need to fit in? Nobody should do that, nevermind someone who obviously has felt the effects of discrimination and hatred.
I am offended by your outburst and blatent disregard for others feelings and hope that by reading this post you will try harder to accept people for who they are, whether or not they agree with you.
I would love to talk about this more, PM me.
~Paige
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i must say that i think ithis is a bit of a cynical thread!
Europride in london this year was my first pride event that iv gone to and i must say it was a fucken blast!
I h8 to say this but get off your fucken high horse! PRIDE means jus that, we should be proud of who we are. Evan though yeah i do agree that some of the costumes may have been a bit revealing and junk, but heck atleast their proud of who they are!
i well enjoyed it, it really made methink of my 13 yr old self wen i thought i was the only one and then i looked around and saw soo many gay/les ppl holding hands dancing kissing and it filled me with a warmth.
Please don't forget all the struggle that our fore fairy fathers went through so that we could enjoy such events.
i defo know where your comin from and sometimes ppl will just think we're a bunch of party boys, but you know wot we are! we're other things as well but partying is why i signed up to the whole gay life style!
If you want to change the face of PRIDE rather than bitch why not get up and do something about it!
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and to let you know yes i was one of the ones who dressed up all gay!
i know i must sound like a rite freak, but this thread has well and truly annoyed me.
pride is all about everyone standing up united against homophobia, yes we do it with a flare but that is who we are.
and i know this is goin to sound like a well bitchy comment but i think that all the gay people who couldn't march in a PRIDE parade obviously arent proud of who they are or wot sexuality they are.
there end of rant i know i sound like a bitch but that is only becos that some people on this thread seem to be realy snooty and so up their own ass theres no room for cock! which really pisses me off. My ex used to look down on me and now i cnt fucken stand it wen ppl think they're better than someone/something else.
neway rant over
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Alright so maybe pride parades have gotten out of hand. But then again, they are entire days dedicated to supporting what we believe in. It may not be expressed in a way you might choose, but at least they care enough to make an action, to try. I give them credit just for that.
Now, for the other side:
Bazzy,
Where are you coming from? Its mindsets like yours that give close-minded people the stereotype they think of about gay people. As a gay man you should understand the neccesity of acceptance in our community.
Using the vile language, phrases and suggestions that you did (look below to see how many times you swore: 7 times) makes your opinion intolerable. Try being kind and not offensive to appeal to people and make them seeing them see things your way, it might work better than telling them off.
I do not feel the need to go walk down the street with a bunch of people that I have nothing in common with just for an excuse to get drunk and be all over some strange girl I've never seen before. I guess I don't understand why you would want to encourage the idea of gay people being promiscious partiers, it just makes no sense.
As for "signing up" for the gay lifestyle, I'm glad you had that option. Most of us here didn't get to choose whether or not we were gay...we were born that way. Furthermore, why are you willing to admit that the reason you are proud of being gay is so that you can spend your youth drinking and having sex. I, for one, and proud of being gay because it shows my acceptance of myself and of others. Unlike people like yourself, I try my hardest not to judge ANYONE (even people I disagree with) because it is important to me that people feel they can come to me when they need to be safe.
What authority do you have to decide what stereotype gay people need to fit in? Nobody should do that, nevermind someone who obviously has felt the effects of discrimination and hatred.
I am offended by your outburst and blatent disregard for others feelings and hope that by reading this post you will try harder to accept people for who they are, whether or not they agree with you.
I would love to talk about this more, PM me.
~Paige
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i must say that i think ithis is a bit of a cynical thread!
Europride in london this year was my first pride event that iv gone to and i must say it was a fucken blast!
I h8 to say this but get off your fucken high horse! PRIDE means jus that, we should be proud of who we are. Evan though yeah i do agree that some of the costumes may have been a bit revealing and junk, but heck atleast their proud of who they are!
i well enjoyed it, it really made methink of my 13 yr old self wen i thought i was the only one and then i looked around and saw soo many gay/les ppl holding hands dancing kissing and it filled me with a warmth.
Please don't forget all the struggle that our fore fairy fathers went through so that we could enjoy such events.
i defo know where your comin from and sometimes ppl will just think we're a bunch of party boys, but you know wot we are! we're other things as well but partying is why i signed up to the whole gay life style!
If you want to change the face of PRIDE rather than bitch why not get up and do something about it!
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and to let you know yes i was one of the ones who dressed up all gay!
i know i must sound like a rite freak, but this thread has well and truly annoyed me.
pride is all about everyone standing up united against homophobia, yes we do it with a flare but that is who we are.
and i know this is goin to sound like a well bitchy comment but i think that all the gay people who couldn't march in a PRIDE parade obviously arent proud of who they are or wot sexuality they are.
there end of rant i know i sound like a bitch but that is only becos that some people on this thread seem to be realy snooty and so up their own ass theres no room for cock! which really pisses me off. My ex used to look down on me and now i cnt fucken stand it wen ppl think they're better than someone/something else.
neway rant over
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2007/03/01 11:15
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Let me introduce another aspect. The others were discussed quite a lot (though this debate can continue forever...).
The Gay parade allows some of us who are afraid to, or cant, tell others that they are not straight or in other way different from the common straight stereotype (yes, "straight" is a stereotype too, in my opinion), to spend some time in a huge circle of accepting people. It allows them to feel home. The amount of people joining the event also gives a sense of security, because, after all, what are the odds that those you can't come out to would see you there?
For me, personally, it's quite similar. I used to live in a place where the best thing that would happen to me if I came out would be ending up in the hospital. I had to keep it a secret for years. It's not like I want to go around and tell everyone I'm attracted to guys - that would only piss people off. Yet, it's something I want to share with friends when the topic comes up, or in other appropriate setting, because holding it caused me a lot of pain. I still can't come out, because I have no close friends in Toronto or Brampton whom I can trust. Going to the Parade will allow me to, for a day, be in a crowd of accepting people, without fear. It would also allow me to meet other gay guys, and maybe make friends.
Sadly, for some of us, it is close to impossible to meet other youth of different Kinsey's Scale numbers. For me, I can't come out just now; people online tend not to trust others; and finally, I don't know of any other openly gay (or bi, or whatever) guys. I look forward to the gay parade. Actually, I want to volunteer there.
Perhaps there are bad aspects to some particular parades, or maybe all of them, but I am not here to judge those. In this post, I merely acknowledge one positive aspect of the parade which was not given much attention.
I liked everyone's comments. Let's see what else people will write.
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2007/03/01 14:00
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Here in Holland I believe we only have one gay parade in a central city. It is then a parade with gays and lesbians being on boats dressed how they want and partying. Ive never been to it myself yet and I dont think I ever will, but I dont think its that bad.
Its like people can just be themselves there, in our media always the exreme things are shown.
Gays in purple or leather cloths, and so by the media we get a stereotype gay, which I think is bad.
Mostly these people dressed like that are hetero actually, just there to be wild and crazy.
I just think it is not such a bad thing, you can meet others, be yourself, although there are offcourse people who make it look weird, and aswell as the media showing only exteme things.
Not something I will participate in but im happy for those people who kinda have a need to be there and be happy, but i really dislike the media for showing the way they do sometimes!
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Date: 2007/04/01 17:12
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yeah i never took part in the gay pride day thing(haha frget what you call it already)becas well.......im not gay like that
im more of a "go play sports, hang out with friends, play computer games, sit aroud and look at the clouds kinda gay guy"
and well here they just dance around and well it dosnt help people accept us as gay, people there just go with the gay stereotypes
i hate it, and then after i dont go to it everyone thinks im not gay, it kinda pisses me off, so there ya go il say it in 5 words "i hate the gay parade"
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Re:Proud To Be Pride
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Date: 2007/04/10 11:48
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I think it is a pity that some people on here have had bad experiences at pride, or not enjoyed them, but I guess it just shows gays dont fit into a box as all liking one thing (except the same sex of course )
I went to my first pride events last year, first stewarding at Europride in London and then to Brighton pride in the summer. I wasnt sure what it was going to be like, but I absolutely loved it.
I'm not a 'we're here, we're queer' kinda gay that dresses up so stereotypically, but I loved it for the feeling of acceptance that permeated on the day. Here were a massive load of people saying 'we're gay, and we don't care who knows it, we're not ashamed' and doing it in a fun, lighthearted way.
It gave me such a warm feeling to see that I was not such a minority as it sometimes can feel, and to see people from all walks of life walking along in support of gay rights and equality.
Gay pride used to be about politics - fighting for rights that we deserve. Now I see it as celebrating our country's diversity and the fact we have gained so much in recent years.
Anyway, that's the way I see it. Though, I can understand it not being everyone's cup of tea
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Date: 2007/04/15 15:44
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Gay pride is one thing, being able to accept and even love who you are is amazing. But I think that these marches or groups that impose the fact that they are gay is to over the top.
I was in London a couple of week ago, and there was a group of gay rights suporters, but where they really protesting about rights? answer= no. They were there simply to cause trouble with poeple, I was forced to take a leaflet from them, and frankly they were abusive. Too much hate a tension is produced by them, and although the concept is good, I think imposing something on poeple, and expecing them to accept it straight away, is not the answer. Acceptance comes gradually i guess.
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Date: 2007/04/16 05:16
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would it better than to have some sort of gay-straight alliance march, where inclusivity is the key rather than putting diversity on a pedestal, showcasing it and letting passerby and media remembering the extremes of such diversity.
People can dress up if the want to but it's an opportunity to pedestrianise the roads and allow for people to enjoy interests such as music or sports etc that cuts across sexuality.
just to say different sexuality exists but hey it's not gonna rip the fabric of society or polarise communties.
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Date: 2007/04/19 14:11
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I belive that theres a definate diffrance.i think there are two outs one is out to your family and friends.The other is coming out to your world. Wher i live the pride prade .Is awesome lol so i love it
so i hope you have better experence next time but how ever mabe you need to be out out befor you can experence it. the rocks thing was wrong lol .
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Date: 2007/04/22 12:56
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I think what most people have disagreed with about Pride events in this thread is the OTTness...but I was at manchester pride last year and the only bit that seemed really over the top was the parade...but then...its a parade!!! they are supposed to be over the top thats the idea...parades are about colour...and the parade at manchester last year was gorgeous...and a lot of the themes for the floats were important just because they're dressed up in flashy colours it doesn't mean they lose their meaning...Pride events especially the parades perform a useful function for everyone not just gay people...to everybody it says "you know what its ok to be you" that like even if what they're doing isnt you it shows that you can be you. At that parade my straight friend turned to me and said "I want something to be proud of" and I said "you have...you"...the other function of a parade is fun...protests are serious...parades are fun...I saw a grandmother taking her grandchildren to see the parade she knew what the message was...the children didnt they were too young...but they had fun...and yea people party a lot over pride weekends...but I bet they'd still be partying if there wasnt a pride event because that is what they want to do...they want to have fun...and on that one day or two days or whatever they can dress in the most flamboyant way eve...if they want to...thats the idea if thats what they want to do they should...if that is them on that day then they do it. Then aside from parades and alcohol most pride events have other things the serious side...gay film festivals...the hiv victims vigil in manchetser last year...pride festivals arent all partying...we shouldnt make them wholy serious either. Gay people don't enter into what society defines as normal...some people say now we're accepted we don't need a gay community...but...a psychologist that i cant for the life of me remember the name of did a study he found that 75% of people will publicly say they accept gay people but 98% of those same people privately will say they dont accept us...the research was slightly biased...the sample that is not the researcher...but the message is clear...and pride parades are a backlash against this they are the light in the dark that says why should we want to conform to normality...I was just thinking aswell why shouldnt we impose our sexuality on people everytime I go to college each day I have Heterosexist ideals imposed on me..."thats so gay dont do that"...the Gay Rights movement has not gone far enough since gay sex was legalised...it's moving to slowly...homophobes have had their chance to slowly slip into accepting other sexualities...you look at the developed world and now a lot of the developing world where the legislature is moving in the right direction but no country has yet to propose the the UN force the legalisation of homosexuality on people as they should be doing...the majority of people don't care they are completely apathetic to gay rights...its old news...gay pride festivals are important to say "hey you know we're still here right!"
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Date: 2007/05/16 13:54
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As I see it, pride marches are counter productive.They do more harm than good...
My wisdom is limited to an awareness of my own ignorance. - Socrates
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Date: 2007/05/22 16:58
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I think the mainstream gay rights movement is a joke. These parades and pride gatherings are what is creating the label and stereotypes for the homosexuals, because they are SO FAR OUT THERE. It's not that I am not proud of who I am, but there is a difference between pride and flaming.
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Date: 2007/07/23 02:39
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By: toxic
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i absolutely love pride! it's not all about being camp and when i went there last year to Brighton it wasn't just for stereotypes there were all kinds of people there and something for everyone, the parade was in much the same way as many 'normal' carnivals. Everyone gets stuck on what they think typical gays are and as ones yourselves maybe you should look more outside the box.
*big cheesy grin*
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Date: 2007/08/12 06:10
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By: Gumdropster
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This has annoyed me long enough..... YOU CANNOT BE PRIDE! Pride is something you feel/have! YOU AREN'T PRIDE!
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Date: 2007/08/12 07:38
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I have only been to one pride, I personaly don't like the thing of spending your money on ranbow stuff if the money ant going to the cause.
Pride is ok for meeting other people, and not having to worry about getting your head kicked in because your looking at a guy. It's also good to educate ppl on sex education.
But I don't bleave in making such a big deal about my sexuality and marching round trying to get people to accept me. But I have no choice in acepting streight ppl so y shud it be so hard for people to accept me.
Personaly I have to live my life the way I want it. But I don't bleaive in shuving my sexuality into peoples faces
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