Sxcriley: read the whole thread. Trotsky's an agnostic. He's talking about having been raised a Christian, but then coming to question it. From what I gather, he's already dismissed Christian dogma as impossible, but not necessarily the existence of some sort of god. There, now you're up to speed.
Disproving Christianity doesn't make me feel good. Dissuading theists from being theists does. Reinforces my ailing belief in the logic and reason of mankind; and by "logic and reason" I mean nihilist optimism. Music that people with taste are listening to this week:
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/08 04:28
By: Sxcriley
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Artiste: lol at ur karma. is that a joke? how is it even possible. and in response to ur post i wasnt being ignorant and asking stupid questions i was asking for clarification (and btw i wasnt asking u anyway..)
Disproving Christianity doesn't make me feel good. Dissuading theists from being theists does. Reinforces my ailing belief in the logic and reason of mankind; and by "logic and reason" I mean nihilist optimism. just out of curiosity how many christians hav u dissuaded so far? and of those (if any) how many hav become nihilist optimists, like urself? and also: how is the logic and reason of mankind a world without religon?
titojtd: i meant in general; but of course u knew that (hence ur "sorry to be a smartass" remark...)
Post edited by: Sxcriley, at: 2007/07/08 04:46 "It doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world." - Rick
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/08 10:00
By: borto
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Sxcriley wrote: To anyone who constantly tries to disprove Christianity: what compels you to do this? Do you feel like your helping people? Just a general question, I'm seriously not trying to create an argument or anything...<br /><br />Post edited by: Sxcriley, at: 2007/07/05 22:01
No one here is claiming (at least, from what I can tell) that Christianity (or any other religion) can be "disproved."
You can't prove that god exists, and you can't prove that he doesn't.
By the same token, you can't prove or disprove the Flying Spaghetti monster, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Thor, Ra, Jupiter, Odin, or any of the other thousands of gods that humans have ever "had faith" in.
My point, here, is that I cannot disprove your god, but the owness is not on me to do so. I am not making any positive claims. You're the one claiming that god exists: the owness is on you to prove it, not me to disprove it.
As for our motivation for questioning your religion (which is what we are doing), I would say it's because we care about what's true.
For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love. Carl Sagan
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/08 17:27
By: Sxcriley
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borto: lol well im soo sorry i used the wrong word! anyway i havent created any threads declaring that i am proving gods existence. i hav only ever responded to ppl who are degrading christianity. "It doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world." - Rick
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/08 18:11
By: borto
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Sxcriley wrote: borto: lol well im soo sorry i used the wrong word! anyway i havent created any threads declaring that i am proving gods existence. i hav only ever responded to ppl who are degrading christianity. And we haven't created any declaring that we are disproving his existence. This thread started off simply asking the atheists and agnostics on theGYC to make themselves known, just as COUNTLESS other threads have done the same for almost every religion.
Stating our position and asking for evidence before believing something isn't "degrading" anything.
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For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love. Carl Sagan
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/08 18:47
By: Sxcriley
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borto: ur confusing! are we talking about just this post or all posts on religon. cuz at first it sounded like the latter and now u sound like ur speaking on the former. fine i will replace my word again: "i hav only ever responded to ppl who are questioning christianity" "It doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world." - Rick
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/09 05:19
By: Palachinov
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Palachinov: i understand ur reasoning, but who are u benefiting?
imo; Christians as a whole, atheists, women, homosexuals, workers, humanity.
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Post edited by: Palachinov, at: 2007/07/09 05:20 "Freedom in Capitalist Society Remains about the same as in the Greek Republics: Freedom for the Slave Owners" -Lenin
“When there is state there can be no freedom, but when there is freedom there will be no state.” - Lenin
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/09 19:59
By: Sxcriley
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Palachinov wrote: Palachinov: i understand ur reasoning, but who are u benefiting?
imo; Christians as a whole, atheists, women, homosexuals, workers, humanity.
so in ur opinion ur helping christians (i can understand how u think u r): but how r u helping women (sexist?), homosexuals and workers (humanity i spose that links to christians, and atheists i suppose its a bit like "one for the team"). why did u list these other groups (christians, homosexuals and workers) in particular? "It doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world." - Rick
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/10 01:58
By: chemical_flare
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Religion is just an excuse to guide the masses. People with bad intentions in mind will find something else, say, TV.
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/11 11:41
By: Palachinov
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but how r u helping women (sexist?) Exactly, most organised religion is patriarchal and sexist. The Christian view of humanity is based quite strongly on "the Fall", and puts a lot of blame upon Eve, that first woman, the one who persuaded Adam (the righteous man) to take the forbidden fruit and thus doomed all mankind. And not just Christianity mind you, Islam is very sexist also, for example, in the case of the hijab, or burkha, even if the woman wishes to wear it, why is it her who must be modest, and cover herself up? Surely should it not be the responsibility of the man to not be seduced so much by the woman that he wishes to rape her? And then the taking of 4 wives (I believe it is 6 for Saudi Kings), women are practically treated as property; well thats marriage in general.
homosexuals and workers Well you probably guessed why homosexuals. Most religions have been extremely homophobic, and still are. The workers I mentioned because I believe religion to be misleading, usually in favour of the ruling class. Most denominations preach class collaboration, and uphold old reactionary traditions. In addition to that, religion is not based upon materialism and hard evidence, or even a logical base, which is worthless in this scientific world we live in. "Freedom in Capitalist Society Remains about the same as in the Greek Republics: Freedom for the Slave Owners" -Lenin
“When there is state there can be no freedom, but when there is freedom there will be no state.” - Lenin
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Re:Agnostics/Atheists
Date: 2007/07/12 07:31
By: Artiste
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Palachinov wrote: Palachinov: i understand ur reasoning, but who are u benefiting? Christians as a whole, atheists, women, homosexuals, workers, humanity.
Oh, snap!
Sxcriley wrote: Artiste: lol at ur karma. is that a joke? Yeah. I ran a campaign a while back to get everyone to lower it as much as possible, then some mod busted my down to negative several thousand. i wasnt being ignorant and asking stupid questions i was asking for clarification (and btw i wasnt asking u anyway..) No one ever does ask. I was just giving you a summary of the argument so that the whole thing could move on without any more confusion. just out of curiosity how many christians hav u dissuaded so far? and of those (if any) how many hav become nihilist optimists, like urself? Just the one, although it's really a back-and-forward battle - one day he'll be agnostic, the next Anglican, the next atheist and the next get high on cocaine and express his undying devotion to the ancient Egyptian pantheon. But last time I saw him he said something nasty about Jesus. And the religion thing is really only one skirmish in a greater Western Front to get him into bed with me. (I'm Germany for this metaphor.) and also: how is the logic and reason of mankind a world without religon? Because I'm (studying to be) a teacher. It shits me when people are lazy intellectually, and refuse to follow things through logically. This happens whenever I get into a religious discussion with a Christian or other theist. It's so frustrating when EVEN THOUGH they end up being unable to counter my arguments, they still cling to faith. (Which is what it is. Blind belief in spite of arguments.) And then try to belittle my arguments by saying that my "The only god that can rationally exist has to be a malicious and/or incompetent fuckhead" MUST be a joke of some kind. Music that people with taste are listening to this week:
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