You should feel sorry for them. yes they do horrible things but good ppl can do horrible things. Most ppl that do bad things have baggage and they pass it on to others in odd or terrible ways. i think calling them a disease is alittle extreme but im pretty sure theres a hurt and confused person inside them most likely having alot to do with their childhood as a boy. your first years of ur life shape who you become and obviously somthing might have gone wrong with them. but peadofiles have been around forever and now that it has become illegal they act out as criminals.. if u call them criminals long enough they will become that. the world is NOT black and white. and those that claim to be certain about anything now belong to the infancy of our species.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/06 22:51
By: scrumper
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im real sorry what happened to you and i hope they die in jail i think all pedos should have there gooners chopped of like they do to dogs to stop them its not right that they should just get locked up becasue they will get out one day so they can do it again they can have a injection to stop all there sex drive and it should be made the law that they have it soon as they get found out if evry one knows that will happen then it will stop some from doing it but there gross people who dont deserv to live no one has a right to that to children and destroy them inside shoot the buggers so they cant do it again
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/15 19:08
By: Edengoth
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Shame on you, violent people! You should know what it's like to be blamed for something that is not your fault (your sexual orientation). That's NOT to say that paedophilia can be paralleled to sexual orientation (it cannot). However, the brain can be "soft-wired" just as it is "hard-wired" and that makes it just as innate as something you're born with...the difference is, "soft-wired" conditions (good or bad, order or disorder) can be fixed, just as they were created, by outside forces. (Most child molesters were molested as children, themselves.) Consider this. There are differing structures within the human gene pool (skin color, height, sexual orientation, the predisposition to certain chemical addictions like alcoholism and conditions like depression), but there are even more that are similar to most humans (lack of fur and tail, eyes, sexual reproductive system, higher brain function), and part of that group that is the same in all humans comprises a large part of our psychological structure. We are all predisposed to act the same way to many, many different situations. Anyone can become paedophilic under the right conditions! I'm not defending paedophilia, as it is one of the most destructive disorders around, but I can't condemn someone's whole life based on one (albeit, very dominating, but still one) aspect of their being, ESPECIALLY one that can be fixed! How many times have you heard someone say "them queers should all be rounded up and shot" in reference to the gays! It's generally cuz we're misunderstood. Albiet, homosexuality isn't a destructive condition of the mind, but regardless, it's a lot easier to do something constructive (or reconstructive) if you seek to understand before you seek to destroy. You can't shoot first and ask questions later! -Matt Cyanide & Happiness @ [URL="http://www.explosm.net/"]Explosm.net[/URL
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/15 23:41
By: MooYak
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My friend, there will be those that speak with reason, and those that ignore all appeals to it. No arguments here seem to be debated, instead everyone seems to be voicing either an opinion of startlingly revealing violence and hate, and opinions equally startled by such harsh language. Personally, as I have already stated in my official reply, I find such blatant hatred abhorrent and startling given the outcast identity of those voicing these opinions, but thus far none seem to be willing to defend their hatred. "Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan
Alas, if it were all so easy, none would suffer in this world. It is as I suspected...no group is ever immune to fallacies such as the false attribution error and the concealment of facts for personal gain (the latter is a different issue I'm referring to, but my point remains). -Matt Cyanide & Happiness @ [URL="http://www.explosm.net/"]Explosm.net[/URL
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/16 11:49
By: dragon_14
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I just want to make another little point, I think I pasted quite some time back about my view on the matter, anyway I did want to make one comment about something that has been bothering me the entire time this thread has been up, although I think one other persn may have made the same comment.
paedophile - a person that has an obsession with/attraction to feet (person with a foot fetish. paedo is greek for foot (possibly feet) and phile comes from the greek word for love, ergo etimology leading back to love of feet.
pedophile- a person that is attracted to/ has an obsession with children. Pedo from the greek for child and phile again same as above.
Okay now the thing that really brought me to comment here today. There were some comments made about pedophilia being caused by a child molester having been molested themselves and possibly by other circumstances that softwire a person and could be easily fixed. I do not believe that this is the case, and if you do a little research into past histories of trying to treat it you maycome to the same conclusions that I have. Anyway, I agree with some of the sentiment in the last few posts, although I disagree with some of the facts of them.
I would also like to make another point, again on someone else has already made before me, a pedophile may not be able to help their attraction to children but that is not a reason to lock them up or toture them or anything of the like. The fact that they are drawn to children is not a crime; that being said, if they do act on these desires then they cross a line and become a child molestor or a child predator (trying to fufill sexual desire and seeking out children whether they are effective in that or not), that is problematic and they should be dealt with according to the law.
Does there need to be some sort of device or process in place so that a pedophile can be discovered and not become a child molestor? Yes that would be ideal as being molested has a terrible affect on the child. Should a pedophile that has never acted on their illegal urges be thrown into jail or something of that sort because they are attracted to children? No, that would violate their rights as a person. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/16 12:41
By: Edengoth
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Well, I don't know how to make the fused inverted ae sign on html. It's spelled P(inverted ae sign)dophilia properly, just like it's properly encyclop(inverted ae sign)ia. True, paedo means foot, but the special dealio is different than ae. Paraphilias are attractions you aquire, but I don't suppose they'd be easy to get rid of, because if they were, we probably wouldn't have p(ahem)dophiles. I understand that under the current system the punishment for [the thing we can't spell right without the symbol] is appropriate in proportion to punishment for other compulsions like the compulsion to murder. But our system is very flawed. Punishment is appropriate, but rehabilitation should come first. -Matt Cyanide & Happiness @ [URL="http://www.explosm.net/"]Explosm.net[/URL
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/21 23:18
By: waverider
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Rehabilitation? And just what do you propose? A slap on the wrist and a don't-do-that-again-Johnny-thats-naughty ? I don't think so. These people destroy childhoods, adolescent years, adulthoods, lives. They are worse than murderers. Their victims have to live with this for the rest of their lives. What kind of rehabilitation can possibly ever guarantee that they will NEVER offend again if released back into society? Answer = none. Period.
Unfortunately, most legal systems will release a paedo after what a non-victim would define as a reasonable amount of time of incarceration, irrespective of whether a course of rehabilitation has been attended or not. Maybe it's time for the courts to ask VICTIMS what would constitute a reasonable punishment. Rehabilitation, in whatever form, cannot offer any guarantees. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. It's the same with paedo's. No matter what shape or form a course of rehab takes, these people will ALWAYS be a risk to kids. Thats just not good enough. Sure, get Joe-citizen to pay for "treatment", but it's that same Joe-citizen who sleeps in fear for their children's safety when they find out a paedo has been released from prison.
Post edited by: waverider, at: 2007/10/21 23:27
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/22 13:06
By: dragon_14
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The issue is that there are never any guarantees for anything. I agree that a victim of a molestation has to go through alot, they should be helped better and put through programing to help them get through it, best waywould be if paid by the person that did it.
I do think that asking the victim what sort of punishment would be most deserved is faulty in a sense of justice. A victim is not in a place to truly provide a true punishment as they are not devoid from it.
As for rehabilitation, there could be a way to do that which would make them less likely to offend, I do not think it would be fool-proof, mostly because I think no system is, but it is more effective then a jail only type of system. Perhaps the offenders now do not go to all of the rehab, but that is in part, in large part actually, because or system of justice is working at punishment, so it's not enforced as it should be. A better system would keep them locked up until they are able to pass some sort of rehabilitation course and therefore become less of a threat.
waverider wrote: No matter what shape or form a course of rehab takes, these people will ALWAYS be a risk to kids. Thats just not good enough. Sure, get Joe-citizen to pay for "treatment", but it's that same Joe-citizen who sleeps in fear for their children's safety when they find out a paedo has been released from prison.
I would like to ask what you think would be effective. Keep in mind that the biggest problem is not normally repeat offenders but people that have no previous convictions for it. (Odds of repeat offence does increase with sex offenders, which is why there is a sex offenders list, but it is still a bigger problem for first time people doing it, those that have never before been caught doing any crime).
I do not condone what these people do, they are criminals and should be dealt with, however, I do not believe that the system as it is now works for either the offender or the victim. Things do need to be changed. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/22 19:38
By: Edengoth
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WHAT?!?! Waverider, how did you get this slap-on-the-wrist stuff from the therapy I'm describing. I don't mean this current bullshit that occasionally is mandated to criminals now that really does nothing. I'm talking about intensive therapy. Drugs, tools, hard one-on-one counseling (sound like some bizarre form of fetish porn, i know ). I'm not even saying get rid of the punishment aspect (although this therapy would be quite a punishment in and of itself...if it did become a replacement, compensating for cost vs length of time, a relatively short intensive program would be about the same cost as a long period in jail and so many times more effective). However, just punishment alone is not gonna help anything but actually make it worse. Consider: Paedophilia is widely understood to be primarily about control. Not about sexual attraction, but the promise of an easy target to sexually overpower. So if all we do is plop em in jail, stripping them of what little power they obviously already had, will Billy Touchakid become less power-hungry or more once released? He's probably more likely to improve his discretionary skill and indeed not get caught when he does it again...and again, which is a far worse prospect by far.
Anyway, dragon_14, first-time offenders are inevitable in any scenario (except in my somewhat utopian and unconstitutional idea of nationwide preemptive psych eval ). But if one of the biggest trends with this disorder is that the expression of it begets many victims to become p[ae]dophiles themselves, then if we even just prevented repeat offense, we'd see a very sharp decline in p[ae]dophilia all over. It's not perfect, this "sentenced to intensive therapy" idea, but, hell, it's a lot better than the current "lock em up and hope they don't do it again when we turn em loose" idea.
Waverider, I'm not saying you're wrong. I do believe the impact of this is worse than murder, but the hatemonger mentality has never gotten anyone anywhere. Neither has ignorance. I firmly believe we should at least attempt to use this intensive therapy technique, because honestly, I don't KNOW it would work, but I'd be pretty sure of it. The only obstacle is bureaucratic red tape. If we never tried new and practical ideas, then how would we ever get anything done or advance at all? Joe-citizen will have a lot less to worry about when the program his tax dollars are paying for shows results of turning these disturbed people back into Joe-citizens, rather than the current one which does little, where Joe-citizen has a plethora of reasons to fear released p[ae]dophiles. -Matt Cyanide & Happiness @ [URL="http://www.explosm.net/"]Explosm.net[/URL
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2007/10/23 16:00
By: dragon_14
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Edengoth wrote: But if one of the biggest trends with this disorder is that the expression of it begets many victims to become p[ae]dophiles themselves, then if we even just prevented repeat offense, we'd see a very sharp decline in p[ae]dophilia all over.
I find this somewhat hard to believe. I do not think it is necessarily the case that these victims become pedophiles themselves and would need to see some concrete proof to that effect before I believed it.
As for the therapy system I think it could be worth trying. It would be hard to do worse then we are right now.....
Although one really big thing that I think desperately needs to be improved about the situation after a child has been molested, is getting that child some therapy. It is very much so needed by them given that they have just been through something like that. Shawn"Dragon_14"
-Senior Manager Operations Department -Training Officer -Forum Assistant Manager TheGYC Chat Service
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WHAT?!?! Waverider, how did you get this slap-on-the-wrist stuff from the therapy I'm describing. I don't mean this current bullshit that occasionally is mandated to criminals now that really does nothing. I'm talking about intensive therapy. Drugs, tools, hard one-on-one counseling (sound like some bizarre form of fetish porn, i know 
). I'm not even saying get rid of the punishment aspect (although this therapy would be quite a punishment in and of itself...if it did become a replacement, compensating for cost vs length of time, a relatively short intensive program would be about the same cost as a long period in jail and so many times more effective). However, just punishment alone is not gonna help anything but actually make it worse.
). But if one of the biggest trends with this disorder is that the expression of it begets many victims to become p[ae]dophiles themselves, then if we even just prevented repeat offense, we'd see a very sharp decline in p[ae]dophilia all over. It's not perfect, this "sentenced to intensive therapy" idea, but, hell, it's a lot better than the current "lock em up and hope they don't do it again when we turn em loose" idea.