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Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/05/19 06:05	By: MormonMale	Status:

I've been thinking of my orientation all year now that I've been able to go online and figure out why sometimes I liked guys more than girls, and have learned a lot. I've also been a Mormon my whole life, not the fake polygamy people that say they're mormon, but a true believing LatterDaySaint. Anyway, this Christian faith of mine says being bi/gay is a sin, and that we should 'help' people that are homosexual become straight. With only a Mom that is a devout Mormon, waht's a guy like me to do? My family is very anti-gay, and I don't want to be some party animal. I want to be able to be in close relationships in the future. Comments on my predicament?

"Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are SUMMED up in THIS sentence, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the FULFILLING of the law." RSV Romans 13:8-10

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/05/20 13:49	By: jessem	Status:

i too am mormon.... and i am going through the same problem..... even with the fact that my mother is my only LDS parent... anyways i thought and then flipped my bibal open and guess what! JAMES 3:15! "If ye lack wisom ask of god" so i did and i after some prayer and scripture study and so fourth i came to a conclusion "if god is realy a loving father and christ died for our sins..... the why is it bad t be me?" and then it hit me "a real father will accept me for me and the idea of repenting for every little thing sounds man made.." so im not saying LDS is fake but i am sayng that if there realy is a god and herealy i our loving father then he will have no problem with me being who i am..... so kid.... just pray and search and feel free to ask me anything!

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/05/23 14:13	By: Gwiffy	Status:

My uncles ex-wife was mormon, her dad made her promise to go back to the church on his deathbed, I don't like their ideas on homosexuality, im glad they cut out the racist bits though, you cant help a homosexual become straight it cant happen, its genetic, doesnt matter if they havent found a gene, they havent found a gene for left handedness but people accept thats its genetic, your family is anti-gay because they have never spoken with a gay person properly people fear what they do not know they have no choice but to accept you.

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/05/24 14:37	By: biggy22	Status:

I have it worse than all of you. all but 2 of my realatives are mormon, and thats out of like 60 or so aunts uncles and cousins. I think that the church is on the verge of accepting homosexuality. thus far the official beliefe on homo/bisexuality stands as such, it's okay to have the urges as long as you ignore them. I've searched the D&C looking for where it says you can't be gay. i can't find it. even the bible only has few cryptic reference on the matter. i actually think a lot of guys in my ward are gay or bi but are so ashamed of it that they're gonna stay in the closet their whole life. i've actualy met a lot of guys who are openly gay or bi and are active members in their ward (and have fooled around with some of the other guys there). i think that in a decade or so the church will change it's opinion on sexuality and welcome the rest of us with open arms.

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/05/28 06:59	By: Zeigy	Status:

Drop Mormonism.

"I'd rather have a bottle infronta me than a frontal lobotomy."

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/06/05 06:32	By: The Muid	Status:

Zeigy wrote:
Drop Mormonism.
Hear hear. No offense to you guys, but I can't think of a less thoroughly thought out "religion" (this doesn't include cults).

And don't get me started on the bloody bible! I have ranted many a time on it in the past on this forum and one such rant (the most recent) can be found here - http://www.thegyc.com/joomlaboard/Itemid,214/func,view/catid,16/id,44971#44971/

Remember - religion is about iving your life as best and as happily as you can. If your religion makes you feel ashamed and unhappy, it clearly isn't right for you.

Diarmuid

"And what would be practical, to get married? And move to the suburbs? And become a home-lovin', child-raisin', God-fearin' imitation heterosexual? And for what? So that I can become another dead soul, goin' to the mall, droppin' my kids off at school, and having barbecues in the backyard? That's *their* death. Not mine. I'm a cock-sucker! I'm queer! And to anyone who takes pity or offense, I say, "judge yourself." This is where I live. This is who I am. "

Brian (US version of "Queer as Folk")

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/06/24 14:06	By: borto	Status:

I third that.

Mormonism (in particular the book of mormon), is, to be frank, crazy.

Here's a selection list of some of the more interesting bits from the first two books of the book of Mormon:

Claims that Israelite from 600 B.C.E. spoke Egyptian... What? (1 Nephi 1:2)

Portrays the Nephites as "white and exceedingly fair." (1 Nephi 13:15)

Nephi uses a steel bow in 600 B.C.E. Steel metallurgy wasn't invented until 200 B.C.E... By the chinese... (1 Nephi 16:18)

Joseph smith makes up three prophets not found in Old Testament: Zeonock, Neum, and Zenos. (1 Nephi 19:10)

Nephi, living in 590 B.C.E., quotes the book of Malachi, which was not written until around 430 B.C.E. (1 Nephi 22:15)

Nephi "spoke for the church." Jews? 600 B.C.E.? Churches? (1 Nephi 4:26)

Nephi brought seeds from "the land of Jerusalem" with him to America. There's no evidence that any such plants grew in pre-Columbian America. (1 Nephi 18:24)

In 590 B.C.E., Lehi found the Americas 'uninhabited.' Clovis points (Arrow heads) have been found which date back to 13,000 B.C.E. (2 Nephi 1:8-9)

The moon produces it's own light? (2 Nephi 23:10)

Central to the stories outlined in the book of Mormon is the idea that Native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel. DNA testing shows that this could not be further from the truth. Israelites are of the Caucasoid stock of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, while Native Americans exhibit genetic markers of the Mongoloid stock. The last common heritage they share is in Africa.

My point, here, is that if the book of Mormon is THIS full of NONSENSE, is it any surprise that it also has something about homosexuality being a sin?

Why not just do away with the whole lot of rubbish?

Post edited by: borto, at: 2007/06/24 14:08

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.
Carl Sagan

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/06/25 17:03	By: YouDontKnowMe123	Status:

Nice

I think the greatest loophole in this religion lies in the so-called 'wars' that supposedly took place. The Book of Mormon mentions two pioneering groups as forerunners of the Nephite and Lamanite nations: the peoples of Lehi and Mulek, who migrated around 600 BCE. After migrating, these two groups, totaling less than 30 reproductively capable people, proceed to mate like mormons do. However, in order to meet the numbers posed in the book of mormon, they would need to have achieved growth rates that didn't exist until the industrial era (starvation, malnutrition, high infant mortalities, and disease ensured a glacier-like growth rate during the period in question).

Lets take a look at the problems:

187 B.C.E. -- 3,043 Lamanites and 279 of Zeniff's people were slain in a single day and night (Mosiah 9:18-19).

Amlicite-Nephite war of 87 B.C.E., Alma 2:17-19 reports a total of 19,094 fatalities.

Also, Nephites and Lamanites had already waged wars against one another by 560 B.C.E. (2 Ne. 5:34).

-- Note that the populations during these 'wars' would need to be much greater than the numbers presented. These account for only slain warriors, not the women, children, and male non-combatants who did not participate in the battles.

There seemed to be a great error in the logic of Smith...or the 'golden plates' from which the book of mormon was translated from (don't get me started on the plates

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josephlied.com

"Christianity was the strangest religion ever set up, for it committed murder upon Jesus for the sin of eating an apple."

-Thomas Paine ('The Age of Reason')

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/07/17 10:41	By: biggy22	Status:

ok i gotta ask what is your guys' problem with mormons okay the church does nothing but good today. they don't openly bash on any certian groups of people (except for the porn industry and even then it's not the people it's the porn) like some churches do, and it's the only organization where if you donate $1000 to go towards some charity or relief fund then that charity or fund will get $1000, others like the red cross only end up giving an average 97% of the money donated. seroiusly think of one bad thing the church has done, and don't fucking say poligamy, it was 150 years ago and they renounced it.

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/07/17 12:16	By: MormonMale	Status:

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Re:Mormonism-gay
Date: 2007/07/17 16:59	By: borto	Status:

biggy22 wrote:
ok i gotta ask what is your guys' problem with mormons okay the church does nothing but good today. they don't openly bash on any certian groups of people (except for the porn industry and even then it's not the people it's the porn) like some churches do, and it's the only organization where if you donate $1000 to go towards some charity or relief fund then that charity or fund will get $1000, others like the red cross only end up giving an average 97% of the money donated. seroiusly think of one bad thing the church has done, and don't fucking say poligamy, it was 150 years ago and they renounced it.

Until the mid-1960s, the Mormon Church was an officially racist organization. They felt free to openly declare that black people didn't have souls, could not serve at the altar in their churches, and only renounced this stance just in time for the Civil Rights Act to be passed. Very convenient.

The original 1830 version of the Book of Mormon said that the Lamanites would become “white and delightsome.” In 1981, the passage was changed to “pure and delightsome.” Again, very convenient.

Your argument is that they're charitable and that they "take it easy" on pornographers? Give me a break. You sound pretty ridiculous defending an organization that thinks homosexuality is a mental disorder, and would deny you your civil rights in an instant, given the opportunity.

If you're looking for reasons to condemn the Mormon church, the ones I mentioned above are pretty damn good. That's not my beef with the church, though. My beef with the Mormon Church is that they lie. Constantly.

Just take a look at the (very short) list I compiled above of the inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the book of Mormon. I must stress that one of the most IMPORTANT aspects of the story related in the Book of Mormon, that Native Americans are descended from a lost tribe of Israel, is WRONG (it couldn't be more wrong if it tried).

All it takes is a simple DNA test to confirm that the allele frequencies of Native Americans coincide closest with those of the mongoloid race (Asiatic stalk from Asia and Siberia), and NOT Israelites from 600 B.C.E. (not even CLOSE!)

When religions like Mormonism make testable claims like this, it becomes very easy to see that the entire belief system is just an elaborate story made up by some lunatic with temporal lobe epilepsy, in this case, One Joseph Smith Jr.

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.
Carl Sagan

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