Since a bunch of people in another forum brought it up, I thought there should be a seperate one for people to share their opinions about abortion (instead of bringing it up in forums when it has nothing to do with the topic )
As for my opinion, I think it's a terrible thing to do but I acknowlege that other people don't agree with that, and I think it would be wrong to take away their rights just because they think differently than you do. If you don't like abortion, fine, then don't do it, but you can't stop someone else from doing it.
Also, I had a friend who was really really really strongly against abortion...if I had voiced my opinion, she might have stopped speaking to me over it... Then she got pregnant when she was sixteen...yeah, now she's for it. So, my point is that you can't really make a decision whether or not you're for or against something unless you've been in a situation where it affects you. If I was ever in that situation, I might even change my mind and be against abortion. Until then, let people exercise the rights they already have.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/10/31 03:24
By: Nait_Boi
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My view on the whole matter is that it is a personal choice between the mother and father of the said child.
To say that it is wrong would be rash since what makes bring a child into a world of pain and negelect better? If the parents can't afford the child, adoption is always there but foster homes can be hard for people.
Also, I'm not saying abortion should be used as a birth control. Just that reasons exist for why the said child should be given up. Also take into consideration, what if the mother was raped and became preganat. Should she keep the baby which was produced from an act of such sin? Not saying the child is a sin but the way it was concived is. How would you like a daily reminder of such a horrible event in you'r life?
Now, I do know some people say that abortion is up to the mother...no...I don't agree in the slightest. It takes two to create a child and just because the mother feels she doesn't want it, she has the right to take a child from the to be father? Heck no! If the father can support the child and give it a loving home, the mother has no right to take it away from him. Sure, they house the baby for 9 months, but to say that they should choose because of that is so childish of its own. Living for the day, Working for tomorrow. Taking life as it comes and making it what I want.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/10/31 06:52
By: Artiste
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I think we can safely lump this debate in with the circumcision debate: I understand that a lot of people are pissed off at their parents for having them circumcised when they were a baby, without taking what they might later want into consideration. The same applies here: abortion should be a decision reached unanimously between the mother, father and child. Music that people with taste are listening to this week:
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/10/31 19:21
By: vixen
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In a society where moral values are double standardised, I agree with Nait_boi on how it's a desicion between the mother and father (of course the father might not even be around)
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/03 02:27
By: Alissa
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Nait_Boi wrote:
Also take into consideration, what if the mother was raped and became preganat. Should she keep the baby which was produced from an act of such sin? Not saying the child is a sin but the way it was concived is.
i totally agree with this.
but i think that if a teenage girl was to just...get pregnant ( too lazy to get into the birds and the bees ) its my belief that she should keep the baby that she put so much of herself into making. it takes two to make a baby, and she can't just blame the guy. if you put so much...love and effort into something, something that is a part of yourself, why would you want to kill it before it had its chance to live and to breath, to make something of it.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/04 16:46
By: Artiste
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Although technically the baby isn't completely "made" yet. Regardless of what you consider "made" - be it physically born, or the child completely grown up, whatever... that placenta isn't a person yet. There's still time to stop it and no harm done; that's why it's called an "abortion" - you abort the process before it's complete. You aren't killing a human in an abortion any more than you're killing a chicken every time you have eggs. And who said getting pregnant involved love? That's probably why most people have abortions. So your argument is bunk.
Oh yeah, and in case I am grossly mistaken, what's with the double standard in saying "abortion should be a mother AND father decision", while Nait_boy busts out with (along the lines of) "if the father wants the child, then the mother has no right to abort it?" So, to abort it has to be unanimous, but to KEEP it, only one parent needs to be for it? Child support, anyone? It doesn't matter if one parent won't be a part of the raising process, they are still obligated (legally, and that's the most badarse obligation there is) to PAY MONEY to support a child they didn't want. This works for the mother too; so if we assume that sixteen-year-old Jock McStudly who didn't realise that pulling out solved nothing wants to raise the baby off his rich parents' trust fund (I don't know, I guess that scenario could happen) then the GIRL who didn't want it STILL HAS TO PAY FOR IT.
That's bollocks: abortion should be the standard unless BOTH parents are willing to take care of it. Music that people with taste are listening to this week:
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/04 18:21
By: Nait_Boi
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Actually...I donno how to respond to that because you really did mistaken what I said.
Yes, I believe the father has a say in wither the child should be born, but I never said that if the father wanted it then the mother must have the child. I was saying that she doesn't have the right to blow off what he says simply because she houses the said baby.
I do realize that I said something that can be easliy mistaken,
If the father can support the child and give it a loving home, the mother has no right to take it away from him.
I actually meant this for if the two were together. I worded it wrong I guess if you mistook it for something else.
I was pointing out that there are people who think that the father has no say. (This actually was going back on an older discussion on abortion) Living for the day, Working for tomorrow. Taking life as it comes and making it what I want.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/04 21:08
By: Gumdropster
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I think that abortion should be illegal in all cases except for ones where; The mother is unfit to take care of it, there are no one other than the mother to take care of the kid, the kid is a result of rape, and the final one: The kid will grow up to be homophobic
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/04 23:11
By: Sunshine
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i am actually trying to get people to look at the big picture, not look at it under certain circumstances. i do think that there are times when it would be acceptable to do, and times when it wouldn't be right to do. but i don't think that anyone else has the right to decide whether it's right or wrong except for the person it involves. and yes i do agree that the father has just as much right to make that decision as the mother.
but here's what i want you all to do; pretend that you are the president or a supreme court justice or whatever. if it was up to you whether or not abortion was legal or illegal, what would you do?
take into account that, although many times it isn't the right thing to do, there may be some exceptions, like the great ones people have given on here. when the child concieved through rape, when the family's situation is so that they can't support the child, etc. do you think it would be right to say that some people can have an abortion but others can't? is that really your place to decide? and even if the parents just don't want a child, is being born when you're not wanted really much better than not being born at all?
and finally, if you think that abortion is wrong and should be illegal, you have to realize that there are a lot of people who feel differently. if it was up to you to make this decision, being responible for governing the people of your country, you're not only responible for the people who agree with your opinion, you have to take into account those who don't agree.
i think that the bottom line is, it's a choice between the mother and the father whether or not they want to have the child or abort it. and i believe that taking away people's right to make that choice would be wrong, regarless of whether or not i agree with their choice. if you don't agree with someone else's choice to have an abortion, that really doesn't concern you anyway.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/05 00:10
By: Gumdropster
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If I was the one to decide I would have(at the present) made it legal, but BOTH parts must agree. If only 1 of the parents want it and the other one doesn't I wouldn't have let them take an abortion.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/05 01:36
By: 2hot_2touch
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Iam sorry, I can see the logic for some people and abortion....but to me, its more of a moral issue. I just cannot justify abortion. And yes I know I am very narrow minded to say the leastShaun General Manager TheGYC Chat Service www.thegyc.com
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2006/11/05 07:12
By: Sunshine
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heh i like gummy's idea a lot. now we just need a queer president to make it happen
any ideas??
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