'The fact that the adoption system is terrible does nothing to discredit it as an idea,'
Actually, it does precisely that.
You may feel the adoption process is lah-di-dah, and who knows, perhaps in Canada, it's at least 'manageable'. The kids in most places in the adoption or fostering process go through utter hell, because YOU wanted to enforce that they be born.
For this reason alone, for most people, adoption is not a good option.
There are already too many people on the planet, mothers should be given every right to what is their own body.
'One last point.... attacking other people is not debate.'
Post edited by: dragon_14, at: 2008/04/22 08:21 You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/04/22 08:31
By: dragon_14
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BravoLima wrote: 'The fact that the adoption system is terrible does nothing to discredit it as an idea,'
Actually, it does precisely that.
You may feel the adoption process is lah-di-dah, and who knows, perhaps in Canada, it's at least 'manageable'. The kids in most places in the adoption or fostering process go through utter hell, because YOU wanted to enforce that they be born.
For this reason alone, for most people, adoption is not a good option.
There are already too many people on the planet, mothers should be given every right to what is their own body.
If I am not reading your post correctly you should also realize that you are also doing the same to me.
The adoption system in canada isn't perfect, it needs to be improved and yes some people do go through hell well in it, I never said that they didn't. I just suggested that someone can consider it in some situations, not that it is the best or only option (you might also notice the rest ofmy sentence that you didn't quote).
I never said that adoption is necessarily the best way to go, since I know that in many cases it isn't. I also never said that anyone should be forced to have a child that they don't want to have so I'm not sure where that comes from. The only type of abortion that I do not think is right is when it is used as a primary form of birth control, but that doesn't mean that I think everyone should not be entitled to it. If that is their primary form of birth control then so be it, I would not agree with it though. All other cases I think it's completely up to the people involved, especially the mother. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/04/25 02:27
By: BravoLima
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The rest of the sentence? Fine, let's look at that.
'all it does is point to the fact that it may be another social institution that needs to be fixed and improved.'
Yes, and in a nice alternate reality where Canadians rule the world, this might be a reality, but it isn't. It isn't okay at the moment, and there's a pretty good chance it won't be good in two more decades for a lot of countries.
'I never said that adoption is necessarily the best way to go, since I know that in many cases it isn't.'
So, once again, you're saying things for the sake of it. Forgive me for assuming your stance was in contradiction to mine, seeing as your post was in general a response to mine. Perhaps you're out to provoke me to get me banned again, hmm? That would probably give you 'happy dreams' tonight, right? You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/01 15:38
By: dragon_14
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BravoLima wrote: The rest of the sentence? Fine, let's look at that.
'all it does is point to the fact that it may be another social institution that needs to be fixed and improved.'
Yes, and in a nice alternate reality where Canadians rule the world, this might be a reality, but it isn't. It isn't okay at the moment, and there's a pretty good chance it won't be good in two more decades for a lot of countries.
Agreed, do you think the fact that change won't happen quickly invalidates my point? Change is never easy, and it might not happen, I still think that it should happen, but maybe I'm being far too idealistic in thinking that things can change.
'I never said that adoption is necessarily the best way to go, since I know that in many cases it isn't.'
So, once again, you're saying things for the sake of it. Forgive me for assuming your stance was in contradiction to mine, seeing as your post was in general a response to mine. Perhaps you're out to provoke me to get me banned again, hmm? That would probably give you 'happy dreams' tonight, right?
I'm saying things to put out alternatives, sometimes adoption is the best alternative, sometimes abortion is, sometimes learning how to use protection properly would be best, sometimes raising the kid is the best option. My stance is that it is a personal matter and each woman needs to make that choice themself given the characteristics of their situation, beliefs, ability to deal with it, etc.
And finally, you have a completely wrong conception of who I am. I'm not the big boogeyman that you seem to take me for. I take no joy from deleting or editting your posts, and I am not out to get you banned, although I will admit that I have brought it up as an option given all the complaints I've heard about you. And honestly I would have to say that I would not need to try to provoke you, I see no point to it and wouldn't waste my time doing it. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/02 04:45
By: BravoLima
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'Agreed, do you think the fact that change won't happen quickly invalidates my point?'
Yes, because there's no indication as to when it will change anytime in the near future. If a parent put her child into adoption now, there's a good chance that child will live it's life in a system that's equally as dismal as today.
No provoking? I seem to recall countless replies to my posts that drivelled on with absolutely nothing new to add, simply to piss me off. Then again, that might have been you trying to make a point. Of course, you're the good guy. You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/02 20:46
By: dragon_14
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BravoLima wrote: 'Agreed, do you think the fact that change won't happen quickly invalidates my point?'
Yes, because there's no indication as to when it will change anytime in the near future. If a parent put her child into adoption now, there's a good chance that child will live it's life in a system that's equally as dismal as today.
I disagree that it invalidates my point. I do understand what you are saying though, I think you have misunderstood what I am saying. Adoption is an option that can work instead of abortion. It might not be a better choice for the child right now, but things can change and they might work better, but it still could be a better choice for the mother in some situation, such as a case where the mother knows sh can not leep the child but would not be able to live with herself if she had an abortion.
No provoking? I seem to recall countless replies to my posts that drivelled on with absolutely nothing new to add, simply to piss me off. Then again, that might have been you trying to make a point. Of course, you're the good guy.
If you do not see my point or understand it that is not my fault. If you think my posts are pointless so be it, trust me I don't do it to provoke you, it's not worth my time. Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/11 15:49
By: RossWood
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I totally agree with abortion as I feel it is the mothers choice whether she is able to bring a child into the world . I'm happy with the laws regarding abortion as they stand.
You can't disagree with abortion and eat eggs if you think about it
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/14 04:13
By: BravoLima
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Of course, I wouldn't be able to eat eggs and think about abortion either. The mental imagery would be enough to puke You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/16 13:46
By: Football_Boy
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Abortion should be legal. It's an individual choice that harms no one but herself (I don't classify half-grown fetuses as people). There's supposed to be a separation of Church and state, so let's kindly ignore the Pope, thank you.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/17 17:54
By: Soulfire
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I personally think that abortion is disgusting.
The main reason is because I actually looked up how an abortion is performed.
First, the cervix is dialated by inserting bigger and bigger cones until they can fit a vacuum in there, and they suck the baby out. Or, if the mother is further in her pregnancy, they dialte the uteris, scrape the baby from the wall, and then suck it out ... then examine the fetal remains to make sure everything came out.
It's one of the most ill-advised, bad choices to make.
... But, if it's what you want to do, I suppose I can't really stop you. That's why I call myself prochoice, but definately not proabortion.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/25 18:34
By: rh3789
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this is an extremely touchy issue. But what I think it comes down to is privacy. In the early stages of pregnancy, I do not see a problem with getting an abortion if thats what the woman wants to do. Although, I do think that abortions should not be the first thing considered. My mom was adopted, and all I can think of is if her mother had decided to get an abortion instead of putting her up for adoption. I would not be here but I still feel that it is a woman's choice to make, and if she feels that it is necessary then she should have the right to do so. If we look to the past, many women used hangers and other dangerous methods of abortion. It is naive to think that it wouldn't go that route if abortion is illegal.
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Re:Abortion
Date: 2008/05/25 23:21
By: samh004
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I guess I'm pro-choice.
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. I'm happy with the laws regarding abortion as they stand.
