Your views are truly full of compassion and intelligence. So well reasoned, you have in seconds decimated 3 pages of debate with your carefully constructed argument. After all, why try helping or understanding people we believe to be sick? Better to lock them away where they can be tortured for as long as possible. Why, your a genius. Why don't we do this to all people we believe to be sick? We can take all the mentally ill and evil people (including those sick sick homosexuals) and lock them up somewhere where they can tear each other up and not bother our own nice polite society. "Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan
Tee-hee, Mooyak, you're funny. In all your sarcasm, you still call this thread a debate? Tsk tsk tsk You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/03/11 06:14
By: Kanae
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/03/20 05:42
By: Poison_Mushroom
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vsausage wrote: i believe that these men who do thses things are the scum of the planet i believe they should suffer but they should not have the death penalty.....mainly because i believe thats the easy way out and that prisons should be tougher (mainly in uk) and these men should suffertill they die.
i just hope they find maddie
They are mentally ill. What they do is evil but the offenders are not thinking right. Who in their sane mind would want to do that to a child. The causes of peadofilia and homosexuality will very likely be the same.
I also enjoy you implying they are all men. It was thought that only men could be homosexuals until very recently. Prisons are not too soft. Have you seen the Shawshank Redemption? The people who appear comfortable in prison will never be able to function in society again and will likely reoffend. People need to be helped not punished.
What I'm about to say may be considered harsh but its true. All these 'victim justice' organisations who always confront anything which could make criminals better people by gabbering on about it not being fair to the victims that those who have done them wrong don't get punished.
If we make the petty offenders give something back to the community and give them a bit of stability then they won't reoffend. Thus reducing crime and saving space in prison for the murderers. Not that I'm for prison or anything. It doesn't work but lets take things one step at a time
How will locking a peadofile away for the rest of his lifes help anyone. Family members may have depended on this person for income. What are they going to do? The victims won't like the family getting money from the government will they? Why not rehabilitate the guy and monitor him so he can become apart of society again?
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/03/23 01:33
By: BravoLima
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'What I'm about to say may be considered harsh but its true. All these 'victim justice' organisations who always confront anything which could make criminals better people by gabbering on about it not being fair to the victims that those who have done them wrong don't get punished.'
Of course, the justice system, unfortunately, does not exist to rehabilitate. It's simply there for revenge, not justice. It's a sad old substitute to people exacting their own revenge. And it doesn't do that well either. Rehabilitation is an unwelcome afterthought, because it generally doesn't agree with the victim's thirst for revenge. You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/10 13:24
By: bm5290
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A lot of people here don't seem to grasp something. There is a difference between pedophiles and child molesters. Pedophiles can't help who they are attracted to, but some of them can control their disturbed minds and not cause harm to children/society, and these people should not be punished. Some pedophiles are child molesters, and what these people do is worse than murder, as many of you have said. No, I am not sticking up for child abuse/child molestation, the people who commit these acts should be punished of course, and I am not a pedophile...however I generally sympathize for some of these disturbed souls who have enough sense not to commit illegal acts...they (NOT they as in child molesters, they as in disturbed pedophiles who have enough sense not to commit illegal acts) should get help not suffer.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/12 06:05
By: the_crampo
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BravoLima wrote: It's simply there for revenge, not justice.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/13 05:15
By: BravoLima
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'Some pedophiles are child molesters, and what these people do is worse than murder'
Really? You would rather your child murdered than, for example, paid $50 for a blow job?
I know which one is the lesser of the two evils, and I'm pretty sure I'd at least opt for the one where my kid's still breathing afterwards.
crampo
Wow, you really know how to say something without saying a thing, don't you. What, you've run out of religious comments to defend that you're resorting to emoticon-spamming? Well done. You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/13 06:54
By: the_crampo
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BravoLima wrote: Wow, you really know how to say something without saying a thing, don't you. What, you've run out of religious comments to defend that you're resorting to emoticon-spamming? Well done.
I think that worse thing is that you really think that the justice system is there for revenge not... justice.
Im an atheist, please dont make assumptions because i fit into generalised categories that you have in your head.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/13 19:56
By: Steely Dan
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you're probably not as much of an atheist as you think. 1. you've read the bible but didn't understand it. + for religion 2. you turn a blind eye to everything that doesn't fit into your belief system quoting fairy-tales and philosophers like psalms. + for religion 3. most of your beliefs are derived from judeo-christian philosophys. + for religion 4. you don't believe in a supreme being (I assume). - for religion 5. you think the justice system gives justice but don't bother arguing why, instead phrasing it in an all knowing tone and notating you pauses with... the triple period. (sigh) + for religion.
anyway has anyone discussed the difference between sex and rape here? coercion, education, sensationalism-possibly propaganda, ephobophilia, Greece, all the other ancient cultures, and all those ideas we had before human-kind lost the ability to think.
So far I've read a lot of 'they're fucked up so we should fuck them up' or 'they're fucked up so we should hand them over to our fucked up ''doctors" who don't know what the fuck they're doing half the time beyond a castration."
(sorry a little harsh most people with their PHD are at least moderately intellegent)
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/14 04:34
By: BravoLima
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For Christ's sake, crampo, how many times do I pleasantly have to ask you to enrol in a course of remedial English classes?
I never stated you're a theist, atheist, polytheist. I don't know who you are or what you are, and I'd like to keep it that way.
'I think that worse thing is that you really think that the justice system is there for revenge not... justice.'
I wish it wasn't, but it simply is. Besides, revenge and justice are a thin line, but the defining quality rests on whether the justice is pragmatic or steeped in emotion. A pragmatic approach is good for society as a whole in theory, but the current emotional approach is good for politicians to look good and for people to feel like, at least, someone else has kicked the shit out of the guy. Even then, the judicial system seems to fail that in most areas, to most people's expectations. People always want more blood. You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Peadofiles - should they suffer?
Date: 2008/04/14 08:01
By: the_crampo
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Steely Dan wrote: you're probably not as much of an atheist as you think. 1. you've read the bible but didn't understand it. + for religion
I've read the bible and understood it. Where did you get that from?
Plus, if you dont understand the bible, how does that make you religious? Bit of a stupid argument.
2. you turn a blind eye to everything that doesn't fit into your belief system quoting fairy-tales and philosophers like psalms. + for religion
what fairy-tales? what psalms?
when you accuse someone of something, actually proove it.
Oh, wait you dont have any.
3. most of your beliefs are derived from judeo-christian philosophys. + for religion
Oh for gods sake. Where on earth do you get that from?
IM GAY, doesnt sound like something a jew would like.
4. you don't believe in a supreme being (I assume). - for religion
How does not believing in a supreme being make you for a religion?
Strange person...
5. you think the justice system gives justice but don't bother arguing why, instead phrasing it in an all knowing tone and notating you pauses with... the triple period. (sigh) + for religion.
I dont need to argue. Its an obvious patent fact. Its common sense. Its in the name.
Stop being a weird conspiracy theorist that thinks the world is full of shit. <
Im an atheist, please dont make assumptions because i fit into generalised categories that you have in your head.
