It's a question that bugs me alot, but recently I saw an interesting thing on tv (it was primetime or something similar) about the "older brother" effect. This states that for every big brother a right handed male has, the chances he is gay rise by 33%. This is the link if you want it.
I still think it's a hormone deffect in the womb, because that still depends somewhat on genetics.
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/12 20:48
By: MooYak
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I somehow doubt the complete validity of this. Might I add that if she had four boys, does this mean the fifth is absolutely gay?
I would like way more evidence than this before making any definitive announcement. I want to see the study this man did, as well as subsequent studies that check on his own.
"So doesn't that prove it's genetic?"
It "proves" nothing so far. We don't even know how valid the claim is. It's simply on the news, and I'm sure we can agree that the media isn't the best place to go for truth. "Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/13 01:14
By: BravoLima
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Thirty-three percent seems pretty steep to me.
It makes me think rednecks will initiate a 'one-child' policy like China. Any more than 50% is just too high for them You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/13 18:02
By: dragon_14
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I think the 33% is off base, I've heard that there is an increase of 3% with each older brother that the subsequent may be gay, unless they are left handed in which case the odds are the same as if it were the first born son. No idea why, and I'm skeptical of that study as well... Shawn"Dragon_14"
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/17 17:46
By: GNR7600
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This is kind of what I was leaning at in my last thread of Evolution. I'm only theoretisizing [excuse the spelling] when I'm saying that human genetics seem to be advancing, so who's to say its not possible that homosexuality isn't natures way of taking birth control, so to speak.
Now, I' certainly no scientist, and I know how MooYak and Bravolima are the ones to jump down the throat of someone who's false, so my above data is not credible information, its simply theory. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees ( Ibarurri 1895)
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/18 03:11
By: BravoLima
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'I'm only theoretisizing [excuse the spelling] when I'm saying that human genetics seem to be advancing'
Show me some proof that human genetics have changed since human overpopulation began to be a problem. I'm sorry, but overpopulation is just too much a complicated problem to be cured by something as inate and instinctive as evolution.
I can have a theory that there's a bug that eats my poo somewhere beneath my toilet. I can't see where it goes afterall. Unfortunately, I have no proof to back these claims, and the theory itself is kinda flawed.
And why the hell would you want to 'connect' me. Eeww, it sounds like some kind of perverse e-sex... on the other hand... Tee-hee... sex.. hand.. get it? ugh
(by the way, it's theorising... or theorizing for AmE) You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/20 13:14
By: willf21
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my friend mentioned this to me, i dunno if i believe it but i do have 2 older bros so who knows. i dont think it had a factor on me. (id rather not get into too much disuccsion in reguards to nuture vs. nature for fear of being yelled at.... )
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/02/24 10:25
By: jag2010
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Heh, I also have two much older brothers......
Not sure about this particular idea though. And Spaceship Earth, that glorious and bloody circus, continued it's four-billion-year-long spiral orbit around the Sun; the engineering, I must admit, was so exquisite that none of the passengers felt any motion at all. Those on the dark side of the ship mostly slept and voyaged into worlds of freedom and fantasy; those on the light side moved about the tasks appointed for them by their rulers, or idled waiting for the next order from above.
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/03/04 08:46
By: fsudude2010
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Im the eldest......sooo i do not know if that helps or hurts. --Chris "A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is braver five minutes longer. --Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/03/20 14:45
By: savordaflavor13
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ive heard this too. but yea, like that one guy said maybe it is three percent. But also judging from the type of case this is, i would guess that it would have had to be an exponential increase (haha but im gonna stop cuz i sound too nerdy)
and i have one older bro... but he's gay, so idk what that means lol
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/03/26 10:24
By: seriouslycant
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interesting.. i have one older brother and one younger.. all right handed.. my dad was left handed.. mom right handed.. one older sister right handed and one younger right handed.. i am gay but my older sister and brothers are straight.. i have a funny feeling my younger sisters a lesbian due to her interest in basket ball and other such lesbian features..
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Re:The "older brother" effect.
Date: 2008/03/26 10:25
By: seriouslycant
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besides.. its unlikely to be genetical.. probably more likely to be influenced by surrounding environment when younger.. for example.. alligators.. their sex is determined by the temperature they hatch at.. but.. if you have a really strong male dominent model in your life.. chances are you will look up to him and follow his lead.. because male role models.. yer.. but.. if you look up TOO much.. then you might start to have a crush on the role model rather than follow their lead.. so i reckon its environmental influences rather than anything else.. if gay was accepted in an environment more people would be far happier to be open and accepted than people are..
Post edited by: seriouslycant, at: 2008/03/26 10:32
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