this is one of the reasons im comletely anti government. as long as its there theres corruption, war, power ,greed , which will never go away and no matter how much we are fooled to belive all these riteous countries actually have good intentions with these wars there is always profitt and greed at heart....sorry now im gonna get blasted by some political nut xD
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/25 11:16
By: kracken
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crap, sorry this was supposed to be a reply x.X
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/25 19:53
By: Nait_Boi
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Ok....I dislike the way government runs but to be honest, we need a government. Without it, the world would be worse off. Instead of country alliences, you would need to make indiviual alliences. Fighting and death would increase. Of course the people in government are not perfect, but we still need them...sad as that is.
If humans were perfect and could live together in peace and without greed, then we wouldn't need a government. *sigh* Living for the day, Working for tomorrow. Taking life as it comes and making it what I want.
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/25 20:10
By: kracken
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humanity survived well enough before without government, money and the classes we can now
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/26 04:08
By: pete_2006ce
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humanity survived, did it? did it really?
and what will return us to such a situation of paradise?
a proletarian struggle? then the 'dictatorship of the proletariat'? the elimination of counterrevolutionary petty-bourgeoisie turncoat reactionaries?
puh-leeze - the red ideology is dead, and 'classless societies' merely generate a NEW CLASS of party apparatchiks.
you're advocating communism kracken. aren't you embarrased?
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/26 11:18
By: kracken
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why would i want to be embarressed of who i am? and keep in mind as i have said there are differnt types of anarchism, incuding communist anachism, and in anarchism classes would'nt last long. if u want to try and intimadate me more go onto the other topic, this one was a accident as i said
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/26 12:19
By: pete_2006ce
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what intimidation? and you shouldn't be embarrased for who you are, just what you're advocating - communism, self-reliant (ju'che) communism, kim il-sung style.
how will anarchism work? who will stop someone taking up arms to take over your patch of land?
and if it's all collective and communal, and everyone gets the same no matter how hard they work, what's the point of working hard when you'll get the same reward anyway?!
will patriotic songs, badges, children's cartoons, flags etc make everyone willing to work till they drop so those who are smart enough to sit and pretend to work are fed?
the biggest country to try that was the USSR, and it's gone now. it was all anarchism and workers' paradises, and it collapsed, because people saw that the West was a better way of living.
work as much as you can, get as much as you can (OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT)
work as much as you can, get as much as you need (anarchism/communism)
okay, 'get as much as you need'? who determines how much you need? THE LEADERS OF THE COMMUNE, right? there you go, GOVERNMENT IN ANARCHISM, and that's quite an invasive mode of government, ain't it, making you work like a dog to get the same bowl of cereal as the guy who only worked for half an hour....
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/26 12:49
By: kracken
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you yourself would determine what you need, becuase more would be useless without currency, in an anrchist system you would have to rely on each other to survive. what do you mean whats the point of working hard if youll get the same?whats wrong with getting the same!? as long as you have what u need to live, which is food and water what else matters!? material possession is not a good thing, you want something, go make,it, or grow it yourself ..and please reply in the toher thread, i accidentaly made this one
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/26 13:37
By: pete_2006ce
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okay, then reply to this on the other topic...
'that which you need to live' - WHO DETERMINES WHAT YOU NEED TO LIVE IN YOUR MODEL OF SOCIETY?
WHO would be the all-powerful little stalin telling people they needed two litres of water and a piece of bread per day, and nothing else?
i see one huge inconsistency in your argument (the others are pointed out in the other topic) - 'self-reliance' and no government, but someone tells you what you need.... isn't that someone the 'government of the commune' ?!
like i said, reply to this in the other thread
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Re:hmm
Date: 2006/08/27 13:09
By: squidged
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Hmmm, seeing you two continue this on, suggesting the other continues in the other thread, maybes you should just agree to disagree.... or get this topic locked Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it
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