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Date: 2008/02/19 08:25
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By: Epona
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Let's jump in here with a really controversial topic, eh?
So, incest. Our immediate reaction is disgust, for most people. But isn't that what people felt about homosexuality, when it was less acceptable in society? Aren't we only disgusted by it because society tells us to? If you think about it, isn't it just two people in love?
Let's have some good arguments here, pro and against. Firstly though,
1. I don't practise incest myself, so lets not have accusations - I don't have a crush on my brother even though I think incest is fine, just as there are straight people who think homomosexuality is fine.
2. I know there are risks of birth defects etc, but lets imagine a responsible relationship where the couple uses contraception and adopts if they want children.
What do people think?
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/19 13:48
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By: euthanasia
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Although highly taboo (I myself regard it as indecent), I believe that as long as it's consentual, and the two parties involved are of a reasonable decision-making age (lets say 12 to 14), then go for it... I still think it's gross (much as so many straight people think anal sex is gross) and would never consider doing such a thing (and not only because I don't have any brothers lol), but as long as it's not harming anyone else, I say let them be-I'd have nothing to say against them, as long as they're happy...
(But honestly, eww!)
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/19 14:12
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By: Epona
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I know - it's strange we have such a disgust reaction to it, when we should be open minded to 'different' forms of love...I reckon it's all society.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/19 23:10
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By: MooYak
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Personally I don't care what two consenting individuals do in the privacy of their own homes. (is there such a thing as privacy anymore?)
However, I can understand the motivation behind keeping it illegal. The fact is that humans, being the fallible and irresponsible animals we are, would sometimes fail to keep our load where it belongs. We would very likely have little mutants running around. And not the good kind that have superpowers, but rather the ones that think they have super powers even when they are 17 and older. The human gene pool is fucked up enough (just look at those bloody southerners! lol) so I would prefer we don't destroy it even more.
But whatever, honestly I feel rather ambivalent towards it. It might be a pathology for all I know, but I don't care about other people's sex lives until it directly effects mine. (the little mutant brats, for instance)
"Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan
Link to American Psychological Association's page regarding homosexual relations.
http://www.apa.org/releases/gaymarriage_reso.pdf
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/20 02:46
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By: BravoLima
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Having no consciounce helps  .
The only issue I have with it is procreative sex. I'm not totally sure, but I believe there has been research finding that the rate of problems in children of incestuous couples was higher (as in physical, not necessarily social, economic, or psychological etc. though psychology would likely play a large part). If this is the case, then I think this alone validates the illegality of sex acts aimed at procreation (there are just so many ways to do it). However, non-procreative sex acts are illegal due to underlying religious morals, and I feel are legally unnecessary.
I disagree with you MooYak, it should not be illegal outright just because there's a chance that irresponsible couples will accidentally have children. That's like illegalising alcohol because some people get way too drunk. It should be conditional, yes, but I think it is currently too 'tabooed' against for any major progress to happen notably soon.
You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/20 15:04
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By: Exovedate
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As long as both individuals are consenting, I don't see any problem with it. It's sort of silly how taboo it is.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/20 21:29
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By: sailorearth
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the only problem I have with it is when you form a crazy cult like westboro baptist church. As long as your not breeding then it's fine.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 01:13
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By: Jaye
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Every seen the short film 'Starcrossed' ?
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/8pn4dYA5Slw/
Watch it, it's painfully beautiful. And incestuously wholesome.
Love = Freedom
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 04:45
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By: MooYak
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Now if only we could all read Chinese, I'm sure we could learn to love it...
Anyway, provided society gets past it's disgust with the concept, what kind of conditions do you put on such a relationship? Does one make it illegal for a incestuous couple to have unprotected sex? How do you determine the conditions?
"Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan
Link to American Psychological Association's page regarding homosexual relations.
http://www.apa.org/releases/gaymarriage_reso.pdf
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 05:12
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By: Epona
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I guess that's the only difficulty I have with it, cos if it were made acceptable you'd have to make laws or you'd get mutant kids all over the place. It'd be incredibly difficult to rule that you can't have unprocted sex, cos how do you enforce that? I guess you'd probably have to concentrate on raising awareness, as they do nowadays but focussing on the outcomes if you have kids.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 06:53
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By: esantiago7292
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I think incest is wrong. Other then the fact that people can confusing their feelings of family love with actual love, and the fact that it results in many birth defects in infants, a lot of situations it's the male taking advantage of the female. Like older brother, younger sister. Father, daughter. As far as cousins go, I still think it's wrong.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 08:50
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By: Jaye
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Did the link not work? It's on a Japanese website, but it's in English. Or it's supposed to be in English. Meh. Tudou doesn't wark for everyone I guess.
Anyway, everyone is talking about incest as if it incestuous relationships were only happening in straight couples. What about homosexual brothers? Pretty much impossible to have children. What would you say to it then?
Love = Freedom
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 08:53
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By: Jaye
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Okay, so ignore the movie link. The movie has disappeared. But look 'Starcrossed' up or something. It's really good!
Love = Freedom
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/21 16:48
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By: BravoLima
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Jaye wrote:
What about homosexual brothers? Pretty much impossible to have children. What would you say to it then?
We've had that covered. So long as it's non-procreative sex, we seem to believe the same rules would apply as to anything else. Of course then we get people that just know it's 'wrong' *rollseyes*.
In either case, if it were legalised tomorrow, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be exercising my new rights  LOL
You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/23 22:35
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By: Joshie757
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I think as long as there both in love with each other and not just for sex. (I do not do incest) yea they could adopt a kid and that way they both win hehehehe
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/24 22:30
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By: Just Dave
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I think part of the problem is that the only place incest occurs is with one unconcenting person, or the rare event of a brother and sister either not knowing of their blood relationship or growing up seperately. The bonds a family forms are different from that in a relationship. It's kinda like having a life-long friend you may or may not like; they are there to support you.
Then again, saying that kinda makes it sound like a relationship, so who knows?
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/25 02:05
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By: BravoLima
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What?? Who are you to dictate what and how families are supposed to operate........ who made you the Pope?
How do you know that there is always one consenting person involved with incest, how do you know the rest are just rare events when brother and sister don't realise they're related (ultimately, we are all related  ). Incest is so tabooed that there is pretty much no reasonable way to know these things for sure.
You should always respect one's religious beliefs, however imaginary friends, delusional behaviour, a belief in a two thousand year old folk-lore should be treated by a professional.
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/26 22:49
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By: C_Dude
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Well yeah it's true, all the outlooks on who should be allowed to couple with who has been created by society, true... To question, or change it would mean challenging those very foundations of a relationship.
With the breeders, yes there's good reason for avoiding incest, with the whole birth defects thing.
But otherwise...
Say, consensual sex between 2 brothers, or 2 sisters, or father and son, or mother and daughter, and so on, so forth... How would we 1st react... EWWWW!!! right? I suppose when we asks ourselves why, there isn't really much more to say but...
Because their your (family relation)!!!!
Which really has no substantial reason in it anyway. So I guess you could blame society...
But sheesh... Brought on by society or not... UGH! *shudders at the thought of... UGH! i cant even TYPE it... *
Maybe it has something to do with the sheer relationship with them that makes it less appealing... You know, knowing someone that close, in that way, and being that familiar with someone can be intimidating and even a turn off you know... I dunno... *shudders from the reoccuring theoughts*
AGH! GEE THANKS!!! *strangles you* lol
"Keep it simple buds." --Carlooo! Ä
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/27 01:50
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By: BravoLima
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Gay sex is gross, gay sex is wrong.
In any case, why do you exclude male/female sex? It doesn't have to be procreative... you know there's more than the ole' missionary position?
You're such an incestist
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Re:Incest
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Date: 2008/02/29 19:59
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By: Steely Dan
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esantiago7292 wrote:
I think incest is wrong. Other then the fact that people can confusing their feelings of family love with actual love, and the fact that it results in many birth defects in infants, a lot of situations it's the male taking advantage of the female. Like older brother, younger sister. Father, daughter. As far as cousins go, I still think it's wrong.
what about those cultures where the mothers would masturbate their sons in order to make them more potent for breeding when they get old?
And family love verses actual love? There's no difference, if you're attracted to someone sexually you're attracted to them.
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