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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 05:15
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By: Gumdropster
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Face it all here who talk about grandchildren and such: Our society is filled with homo-phobic bitches, which basically mean that if you don't find someone willing to be a surrogate for you you will probably never get a kid.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 05:26
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By: Handcat
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Face it all here who talk about grandchildren and such: Our society is filled with homo-phobic bitches, which basically mean that if you don't find someone willing to be a surrogate for you you will probably never get a kid.
I don't know if I speak for everybody in this thread (I hope I might be) but when I talk about "grandchildren", I'm not using it to mean my biological descendants only - it's just a word to mean "the future generation".
Whether or not we are screwing up the planet, to say we should just because we won't have kids is very nasty, and selfish.
I'll tell you what Jesus would NOT do - Jesus would not wreck a guy's party.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 06:22
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By: Gumdropster
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Well some times one has to live life for oneself. Plus the fact that I would hate to have them existing, just look at how little actual progress humanity has made for the past 5 generations, we're mentally where we were 200 years ago. That means they'll probably be retarded too.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 07:30
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By: Paranoid Marvin
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That's a good point I didn't think about - you can't have children with men 
 
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 07:34
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By: borto
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Well, I certainly can't speak for your grandchildren, but for the most part, each successive generation for the past few centuries has been steadily more and more socially progressive. I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean -- but 'mentally,' and I would add culturally, we have made tremendous strides forward in social progress. If you think we're in the same spot now as we were 200 years ago, try traveling back to 1807 and see if you can find a gay bar anywhere  .
For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 07:49
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By: Gumdropster
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I could step back 3000 years instead and find one Seems we've actually gone backwards :o
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 08:29
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By: Handcat
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look at how little actual progress humanity has made for the past 5 generations, we're mentally where we were 200 years ago. That means they'll probably be retarded too.
Do you truly believe we've not made any progress in the last 200 years? Do you call:
The abolition of slavery
The spread of the railways
The discovery of the molecular content of gases
The invention of the stethoscope
The invention of photography
The invention of the typewriter
The discovery of the first enzyme, and the beginning of biochemistry
The invention of the telegraph
The Industrial Revolution
The discovery of the laws of electromagnetism
The invention of the telephone
The first electric grid
Women (and many more men) earning the right to vote
The discovery of the theory of relativity
The discovery of quantum theory
The invention of television
The rise of antibiotics
The rise of vaccination
The advanced treatment of cancers
The invention of the aeroplane
Mass production of cars
The photoelectric effect explained
Invention of stainless steel
The discovery of continental drift
The theory of evolution
The advancement of sound recording technology
The discovery of insulin
The discovery of penicillin
The discovery of nuclear fission
The discovery of safer methods of blood transfusion
The invention of computers
The discovery of the structure of DNA
The first organ transplants
Man walking on the moon
The rise of gay rights
The creation of fibre optics
The invention of mobile phones
The creation of the Internet
The cloning of animals
The use of probes to investigate other planets
.... There's so much I've missed here, it's insane. It doesn't even mention any of the cultural advancements - the music, the art, the literature - created in the last 200 years.
No actual progress in the last 200 years?
I'll tell you what Jesus would NOT do - Jesus would not wreck a guy's party.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 08:39
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By: Gumdropster
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I thought more about their mental state actually, like in what they believed. If we really had progressed so many fewer would have actually had a religion, since it wasn't needed anymore.(just an example)
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 08:41
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By: Handcat
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I thought more about their mental state actually, like in what they believed. If we really had progressed so many fewer would have actually had a religion, since it wasn't needed anymore.(just an example)
Well, consdiering there are so many more atheists now than back then, and you're less likely to be lynched for it...
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 08:55
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By: cyby
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I doubt you can find evidence of a gay bar 3000 years ago.
If a, b are positive integers such that (ab+1)|(a^2+b^2), prove that (a^2+b^2)/(ab+1) is a perfect square.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 09:01
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By: cyby
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I will also add that this thread is rapidly degenerating and becoming off topic. I hope that we can either focus ourselves back on it or just continue this thread elsewhere as a "human progress" thread or something.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 09:21
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By: Handcat
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Back on topic-
Climate change appears to be happening. The thing that concerns me about the whole thing is the willingness of people to regress and risk all the progress humanity has made over the last couple hundred years, rather than progressing further.
No-one will benefit if we recklessly cut carbon emissions by 60% - we'll end up worse than a current third-world country. Much better would be to advance our technologies so we don't emit greenhouse gases.
Wind-farms and solar panels are useless at the moment. We need to maintain our standards of life, and save ourselves and help the environment at the same time. To destroy humanity for the sake of reducing emissions is idiotic.
I'll tell you what Jesus would NOT do - Jesus would not wreck a guy's party.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 09:22
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By: Gumdropster
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cyby wrote:
I doubt you can find evidence of a gay bar 3000 years ago.
Actually, it's been proven on numerous occasions that the Greek actually had what we would today call gaybars. They actually counted gay sex as the enjoyment kind and straight sex just as a way to bring the family on.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 09:28
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By: cyby
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But certainly not as widespread here. And we generally only call Ancient Greek civilization as 3000 years old - 1000BCE is about when it started. And I think I can be quite assured that the beginning of a certain civilization would not have gay bars.
I think by 300BCE or so you could reasonably find said "evidence," but I would discount 1000BCE.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/03/13 10:59
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By: Gumdropster
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Um, no... It's actually(strangely enough) been proven to have been fact all the way back to when we can prove "culture"....
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/05/14 19:43
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By: Hard4Hardons
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Just stumbled across this thread. Here's my view, including a few points that haven't been mentioned yet.
The Earth is getting warmer. That can't be denied. Temperature has constantly fluctuated throughout history. Go back a few thousand years and you'll find a period known as 'Holocene Maximum' where temperature was higher than it is now for a period of over 3000 years. Then there's the 'little ice age' of the 14th century. Hot and cold spells are everywhere.
The relevancy of CO2 levels towards temperature levels is debatable. Greenhouse gasses only make up a small proportion of the atmosphere. Of those gasses, water vapour accounts for 95% (and cannot be influenced by human activity), and carbon dioxide only makes up 0.5%. Human activity only accounts for 2% of that 0.5% total. Most is released into the atmosphere by the sea. I'm not saying that just because human emitted CO2 is low that it's not significant. It still changes the balance, we just won't be seeing anything on the same scale as Venus, even if we burn all the fossil fuels we have left tomorrow.
Also, if CO2 is the main cause of warming (as all the climate prediction models that get media attention assume), you should expect to see figures showing a correlation between temperature and CO2 levels. As Al Gore rightly states, there is one. However, the ice core record shows CO2 levels lag BEHIND temperature by about 800 years (which just so happens to be the same amount of time it takes for ocean temperature to catch up with atmospheric temperature, thus releasing more of it's dissolved CO2).
There's also the way in which the greenhouse effect works. Greenhouse gasses in the troposphere absorb long wavelength radiation as it exits the atmosphere. We know that. So, we should be seeing a faster rise in temperature in the troposphere than on the surface, as that's where the gasses are concentrated and it takes time for the warming effect to transmit downwards. Satellite and weather balloon data show that rate of warming is LOWER in the troposphere. Again, while the greenhouse effect certainly isn't cooling the planet, the evidence doesn't point to any increased warming effect.
Finally, you've got the post-war economic boom. Most of the current temperature increase happened in the pre-war period when industrial output was low. Then CO2 emissions skyrocketed in the '40s, yet temperature FELL until the recession in the mid to late '70s. 'Greenies' say this is due to oceans absorbing much of the heat, but that only explains a slower rise NOT a fall, and also only accounts for surface temperature.
Greenhouse gasses do affect the climate, but the anthropomorphic proportion of that is probably miniscule. Far greater factors are solar activity, Milankovitch cycles (orbit variation), cosmic rays and cloud cover. Clouds have a cooling effect on surface temperature. They form as cosmic rays bombard water vapour in the atmosphere forming droplets. The solar wind intercepts these rays, therefore reducing cloud formation and increasing surface temperature. Solar output also correlates pretty well with temperature, which would seem to prove the theory that climate is mostly governed by the sun, with other factors doing the 'fine tuning'.
It should also be pointed out that during the 20th century (the period of greatest warming), the intensity of the sun's magnetic field more than doubled.
The effects global warming will have are also blown way out of proportion by the media. For example, the ice caps are constantly expanding and melting again. What we're seeing now isn't really anything out of the ordinary. And as for the polar bear drowning stories, well... polar bears are actually very good swimmers and have been known to swim distances of up to 300 miles to find land/ice. Melting ice doesn't do much to raise sea levels either. Thermal expansion determines how high sea levels rise globally, and that's an enormously slow process.
Then there's extreme weather. Go find any meteorology textbook at your local library, and I guarantee it will tell you that the basic cause of extreme weather is temperature difference between the poles and the tropics. Now, global warming should reduce the difference, as the poles would warm faster than the already warm tropics. Therefore, there would be an overall REDUCTION in the frequency of extreme weather events.
The anthropogenic global warming idea is mostly politically based in my view. It's a popular subject so it will win votes. It all started when Thatcher tried to push nuclear power because she didn't trust middle-eastern oil or British coal. Massive government funding was made available to any scientist trying to prove it, and almost nothing for anyone who spoke out against the idea.
Then the media caught on, and interesting CO2 based climate models that predict 'the world is screwed' will always get more attention than more accurate multi-factor molels that show 'temperature is currently rising, but will fluctuate about a norm as it has done for the past 600,000 years'
In short, human CO2 emissions probably will warm the planet slightly. But if other factors change to favour cooling, cooling is what we're gonna get. I'm all for cleaning up the air we breathe, but when it comes to people peeling labels off ketchup bottles and tin cans to put them in a separate bin, it's all getting a bit too extreme.
Sorry for the long post 
Post edited by: Hard4Hardons, at: 2007/05/15 02:24
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/05/14 23:45
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By: Artiste
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Hard4Hardons wrote:
The anthropomorphic global warming idea is mostly politically based in my view.
"Anthropomorphic". Giggle.
PRESENTING SETH!
GOD OF STORMS AND DESERTS!
CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING!
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/05/15 02:33
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By: Hard4Hardons
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Oops. That's what hangovers and lack of proof-reading does.
Edited now.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/05/15 02:36
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By: Callum Fraser
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Exactly. All I see is number crunchers pissing themselves over an issue that aint gonna change overnight. Get over it people. Its happened before {fluctuations in temperature/climate} and it'll happen again.
Sure, the world IS going to hell in a handbasket, but not quite yet.
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Re:Global Warming, etc.
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Date: 2007/05/15 02:40
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By: Callum Fraser
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cyby wrote:
I will also add that this thread is rapidly degenerating and becoming off topic. I hope that we can either focus ourselves back on it or just continue this thread elsewhere as a "human progress" thread or something.
Threads like this nearly always veer off topic, because it turns into a knowledge war. All the "I have six degrees behind my glasses" people who pray on knowledge and "being cleverer than the next man" have nothing better to do but try and prove themselves the alpha male in knowledge.
Its pathetic; and it shows the bare bones of the human dominative {dog-eat-dog} nature.
I sit back and watch while people flame each other; usually both parties are wrong, or somewhat biased in disguise. =]
'tis funny.
I wanted this account deleted, but not much unlike MySpace, they wouldn't. Well, here I have a little something.
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