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Date: 2007/01/31 16:44
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By: free
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i dunno what happenned but it seems that we have lost close to 150 comments posted in february...actually we have lost almost all...too bad...there was a lot to answer,,,so, i guess the best thing to do is to make a resumé of what we had previously discussed and keep going...be my guest... 
this thread is about commenting "talk of the day" events no matter if they are local to one country or region or has international consequences. just as an example, in the last thread concerning current events we discussed those different topics:
- us occupation in iraq
- iran's nuclear program
- immigration and adaptation to local culture
- reorganisation of United Nations
- american elections
- the bombing of dresden
- forgotten human tragedy: sudan, ethiopia, angola cabinda, birmany, etc...
- korean deal for stepping out from nuclear weaponwery
- some others ...
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/01 01:01
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By: disgracefulx
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Ooh. This is a tough one. The thing about immigrant integration is that once you come over to America, people expect you to know how to act within how we act as Americans. Just in the same way if I went over to one of the Asian countries, and walked into someone's house, I would be expected to know I'm suppose to remove my shoes. Failure to remove them could be considered a dishonor. However, this country is called the "melting pot" for a reason. We have many different cultures, many different people, and many different ideas of how Americans should be/act. I think for the most part people are open to the idea of accepting other cultures. Obviously, regardless of how some people choose to act, this was how our country was founded.
I think the idea of someone coming over, "imposing" (I use that loosely) their culture, and then using the system to win... Ha. Fuck. This is America. We have a hell of a lot more rights and I think, yes. They're Americans once they get that citizenship, so they're entitled to the same rights that I am.
I welcome the idea of new cultures. We should be fully supportive to the way they live and things they're use to.
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/01 02:37
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By: free
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i have 2 questions about the melting pot :
lets say two neighbors become american citizen. one jewish and the second islamic, both are very religious and they follow their own cult in every aspect. both guys teach at the same public school. on a jewish holiday for one and on an islamic holiday for the second, both ungreet in usa, they abstain from coming to school forcing christian kids to lose 2 days unschedule in the school year agenda...
first question : would you allow the teachers to abstain from working for religious faith ?
second question: does melting pot mean melting personal beliefs and ways of doing into one big group belief and into one big group ways of doing ?
...of course within the law...
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/01 03:37
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By: chemical_flare
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Immigration is more of a local issue
I'm subscribed to Time and Newsweek and I read international news everyday...local news is kind of boring, especially immigration...it is so over-discussed... 
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Date: 2007/02/01 04:23
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By: free
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i understand for you immigration can be boring cz in usa immigration is not an issue....along with what you say. however in canada its a new issue and people coming here are not well informed...i dont think there is a melting pot in canada..certainly not in quebec.
but you dont have to comment on immigration. we can discuss any other topics...the idea of this forum to discuss any current events topics...best if there are many.....youre reading international news so there must be topics you discuss with people around you...you wanna share ?
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/01 06:16
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By: chemical_flare
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Certainly! this is a very interesting topic free, thanks for creating it 
Political Issue #1 - IRAN
Iran's mullah government is developing nuclear materials and there is no doubt about it. Their president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made very confrontational statements, threatening Israel. Russia is against any real action against them because they have multi-billion dollar investments in Iran's energy (Russia is building many nuclear power plants in Iran) and China has made a lot of deals with Iran to drill into Iran's cast reserves. The U.S. and her allies are fervently searching down for diplomatic solutions but they continue to fail miserably.
Recently, the US has moved in several aircraft carriers into the region. A military show down is imminent if diplomatic solutions don't work. Iran's stubborn radical leadership shows no signs in quitting. A war with Iran would be horrible. Iran has thousands of ballistic missiles, capable of destroying a large portion of the middle east's oil facilities and killing tens of thousands of US soldiers.
My opinion is force. Not a standard military invasion though. I believe that the U.S. should sponsor the MKO and other rebel anti-Iranian Government revolutionaries in Iran, giving them money, weapons, and open support to "free Iran". Then the U.S. should support a few Iranian generals (bribe them, whatever it takes) and oust the current radicals in Iran. It would work. Most of Iran doesn't support them anyways.
Issue #2 - Hugo Chavez and his Anti-West homies
Hugo Chavez, the radical socialist president of Venezuela, has a hardliner anti-West stance. He does not like the US. His famous quotes include "Go back home, gringos!" (referring to Bush's white staff members) and "The devil came here yesterday, (referring to George Bush) and it smelled of sulfur," . American Christian TV broadcaster, Pat Robertson, made Chavez famous when he publicly discussed a possible CIA assassination of Chavez.
I think the US is currently doing a fine job on this, Chavez is regarded as an idiot in the international community, and he is increasingly worried about his own security.
Issue #3 - Dependence on Oil
Of all modern problems, this is one that the average person feels most strongly about, and the issue that most people just don't understand.
Most people think we can just switch over to a different form of energy, and this is completely untrue, for America anyways. The US Dollar, opposed to common belief, is NOT backed by gold. It is backed by oil and oil trading. If we switched to hydrogen or something else, the dollar would lose a lot of it's power, that is why the U.S. is not switching to alternative energies and is still pushing big SUV's around.
That is the real reason why we invaded Iraq, and why we will invade Iran. No one really noticed in 2001 when Saddam Hussein switched over to the Euro, but he had signed his death warrant (literally). The Bush Administration wanted to make an example of Iraq to other Middle Eastern and OPEC countries about switching to the Euro in oil trading. Recently, Iran has switched over to the euro in oil trading. I believe that the Bush administration is going to make a reason to invade Iran, and why he is not dealing with Iran to stop it's nuclear program to his full abilities.
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/25 17:59
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By: bj*
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chemical_flare wrote:
Immigration is more of a local issue
I'm subscribed to Time and Newsweek and I read international news everyday...local news is kind of boring, especially immigration...it is so over-discussed... <br><br>Post edited by: chemical_flare, at: 2007/02/01 08:53
It's not at all a local issue, this coming from someone who reads only interantional news. Its a hugely international issue about the rights of humans versus the rights of country, and it pretty mush boils down to western society beginning to pay the price for exploiting the third world for hundreds of years and then getting up and leaving them with out ever looking back.
If you're not living on the edge, your taking up too much space.
http://www.DollarDonkies.com
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/25 20:30
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By: free
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bj* wrote :
It's not at all a local issue, this coming from someone who reads only interantional news. Its a hugely international issue about the rights of humans versus the rights of country, and it pretty mush boils down to western society beginning to pay the price for exploiting the third world for hundreds of years and then getting up and leaving them with out ever looking back.
its getting here talk of the day. in usa they have the melting pot meaning when someone immigrates to us it is to becaome american because otherwise they wouldnt go. where i live in quebec, it is a big problem because when they come here they are not well informed or worst they are wrongly inform of what going on here. im believe in the independence of quebec but since my country is yet to be born, i dont have a country so i feel my country is the planet. i believe people migrating must know and be willing to adapt to new society and the society must help and welcome the newcomers willing to be part of them..
chemflare was not saying but border patrols at the frontier with mexico are shooting illegal immigrants...ive heard yest on CNN the president of bank of america saying they will maintain they policy to open credit cards to illegal immigrant cz otherwise, it would peovoque bankrupcy of america !!!!....boring you said chem
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/27 04:01
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By: FlameRiot
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First of all I introduce myself, call me G or Flame.
I would like to give my opinion about 1 issue.
Now if we put money and life in a balance, I would say that most of the people go
Thru all their life wasting THEIR LIFE for money, desire for money and big power behind,
Now Chemical_Flare mention that a lot of people doesn’t understand that changing the
Consummations of oil at their maximum, so OK U.S. is going to loose a lot of $#&&#$
Money, so we can all still live peacefully in a perfect life, so what with the world?,
Do you really think Oil is going to last forever?, I think that u think about yourself and
The present we’re living, what about the future?, have you seen AN INCONVINIENT TRUTH?
Do you make a little research about how scientists say every day that the world is not getting
Any good?, Global warming is not only more heat to our heads, do you know that beaches and earth
Around the world has been covered by water cause more than 65% of glaciers has melted?,
Where that come from?, most of all the burning of all that have to be with Oil, and materials
That contaminate this world, they destroy the earth shield, then all the heat that goes inside this world
From the sun itself come in heavy radiation and with the smoke and contamination clouds just can’t
leave so stays in here, that’s why in deserts in day there is a big heat, but in night can even snow,
cause all the heat leave the earth again. Personally and I’m not going to lie, I used to smoke, man I felt that
I was dying and not only that, a cigarette have more than 100 chemicals and the tobacco is just
What remains of real tobacco, you bet for the present and the big pleasure, but if we keep
On consuming all the derivates of OIL, doing things that will endanger all NATURE, we will perish,
maybe not you, maybe you going to live Happily for another 5 years and will be able to see a big hole in earth before you burn yourself, But I guess you already know that, I bet you already know how many years take several products
To come back to their natural state, of course if they can, cause most are chemicals that in the
End will only hurt world soil, so yes, let’s keep on making Big SUV’s with V8’s that will expend
5 gallons in one single day and keep on drilling the world so we can suck all his blood; but another
Thing, if you didn’t know, most of the problems that are happening, I remind Hurricane Wilma, I
Remind the big tsunami that killed hundred thousand of people, all of that is not just because is
A WILL from a GOD, is a WILL from MAN, and his desire for power and expansion, so be it,
Let’s push the pedal to the metal and finish this HOME WORLD we live in.
Oh yeah another thing, looks like we FEEL with enough POWER to INVADE other
COUNTRYS and steal THEIR MINERALS so we can keep on living large uh?
‘’Recently, Iran has switched over to the euro in oil trading. I believe that the Bush administration is going to make a reason to invade Iran, and why he is not dealing with Iran to stop it's nuclear program to his full abilities’’
I could understand about the dangerous nuclear program, but like everything else, all just
An excuse with second intentions, I mean u think U.S. government is not going to keep
On with the nuclear program but for U.S. and not for middle east?, I mean is too much of
A big chance to get more nuclear weaponry and get rock and loaded to be the meanest
With the most nuclear weapons, of course is a big chance to get WHAT THEY HAVE,
Normally thru history, man always deny and deceived when men wanted something out
Of ENVY of what his neighbors had, before there were big lands, the Crown, Gold, Conquer, now we have nuclear
Weaponry, Viral Weaponry, Data Thieves, even our identities are sometimes in danger
With so many corrupt people out there, so many has been trained and are following
Orders (talking generally no just U.S., cause the other power nations do same things, and of course
This is an open site to people all over the world), but hell, there you go, let’s rock, let’s see if we let them create a future in where we
are the followers, and slaves of day-to-day new brainwash, or create our own future,
without wars, without Nuclear Waste, Without Power Corruption, let’s see what is
going to happen.
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/02/27 05:09
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By: free
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FlameRiot wrote :
Let’s push the pedal to the metal and finish this HOME WORLD we live in
thats what were doing now on the name of economics... if you want to freak more here is a link about how our planet is going down...those who have power, no matter who they are, are responsable for killing millions of people...i doubt they live in angola !
people and planet site
here is some topics amongst many they cover...very interesting. all we can do is to get inform so we wont do the same mistakes.
- Call for an end to destructive mining in the Philippines
- Beijing gives priority to buses
- World's top ten polluted places
- Air pollution kills 2 million every year
- Ozone loss reaches new record
- Residual CFCs are a ticking ‘time bomb’
- Poor environment linked to one-third of childhood diseases
- Villagers attack factories over pollution in Eastern China
- Chernobyl death toll 'could near 100,000'
- ...etc.
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/03/02 03:51
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By: free
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usa annonced yesterday they will participate to talks with countries of the region in finding a way to solve the usa-iran different about irans suspected nuclear weapon program..
chem,
nick,
Øyvind,
chris,
jake.
artiste
...where have you been ?...if you ever read this post, i just wanna say i miss your comments and posts...  too bad that failure lost all posts from february...i you ever come back, that'll be cool...meanwhile newcomers on this thread, welcome.
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/03/02 04:11
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By: chemical_flare
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Very good, I hope the US can solve the problem in the middle east peacefully like N.Korea.
Unfortunately if nothing comes from a peaceful diplomatic perspective in the middle east, then I'm afraid it is likely a 3rd world war could erupt between countries in the middle east between Shi'ite (Shia) and Sunni nations. the Sunnis would definitely win, but it would be a horrible war nonetheless.
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Date: 2007/03/02 16:16
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By: Gumdropster
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North-Korea isn't actually solved, it's just not as much of an hostile element now... I'd rather see them become more free on their own though.
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Date: 2007/03/02 17:33
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By: Summ
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Yes N-Korea not solved yet. Are there 2 things in one now btw? Chemical talking about Shi'ite (Shia) and Sunni and Free about USA-Iran, or does it matchup with eachother??
I havent received that news btw here in Holland but I think talks with Iran wont really help. Like their leader is stubborn (if that kinda describes him lol). I think they do just want Nuclair weapons too, and will make them whether the rest of the world wants it or not, same about N-Korea. That may lead to another war.. (However, aint it fair that they have nuclair weapons if countries like the USA do have them aswell?? I think not, I still feel save with knowing the USA have them, I dont see them using it that quick, while with like Iran or N-Korea they seem tempered and are endangering me when they have nucair weapons...) Hopefully the talks DO help tho!
About the Shi'ite (Shia) and Sunni, whats known about that? Havent heard anything actually anymore about them, but I think with the fall of Hussein things might have been changed? If it really is so that the balance is really disturbed and war might break out between them, I think it will be a horrible war aswell, wars are bad in general anyway!
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/03/02 19:17
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By: Gumdropster
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Yes N-Korea not solved yet. Are there 2 things in one now btw? Chemical talking about Shi'ite (Shia) and Sunni and Free about USA-Iran, or does it matchup with eachother??
I think they match up in the way that the US is in "conflict" with both of them.
I haven't received that news btw here in Holland but I think talks with Iran wont really help. Like their leader is stubborn (if that kinda describes him lol).
I think it does... He's very determined that he wants to have nuclear capabilities. I also believe his stated reason, he claims it is to make power plants. Their nation is very lacking in modern "luxuries".
I think they do just want Nuclair weapons too, and will make them whether the rest of the world wants it or not, same about N-Korea.
I'm not so sure they want the weapons to pose a threat, but to get more power in international issues.
That may lead to another war.. (However, aint it fair that they have nuclair weapons if countries like the USA do have them aswell?? I think not, I still feel save with knowing the USA have them, I dont see them using it that quick, while with like Iran or N-Korea they seem tempered and are endangering me when they have nucair weapons...)
I don't think it's fair that anyone has them. They're pointless. Anything that's maid to kill is ridiculous.
Hopefully the talks DO help tho!
Probably won't... both USA, N-korea and Iran are too boneheaded to be talked out of something like that. It's just a matter of time.
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/03/03 07:43
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By: free
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summ wrote :
About the Shi'ite (Shia) and Sunni, whats known about that?
here are some facts about shiits and sunits...and kurds. ive found many infos that make me think.i would give the links but theyre in french so it wouldnt have been usefull
irak was once the center of the worlds...another empire heritage...
sunnis and shiites are same religion but back in 680 they separate. most muslims around the world are sunnis. shiites says they are the real succession of muhammad the prophet...sunnites are saddam hussein people...they are roughly 5 to 6 millions out of 25 in irak. they share a common frontier with syria which is also sunnis.
shiites is an iranian religion. they are located along the frontier with iran and are around 12 million. they were used by saddam hussein as human shields for sunnis in the irak-iran war that killed ten of thousands of them. ive seen numbers up to 300000 deaths in that almost 8 years war.
during saddam husseins reign, kurds were those who suffered the most. 250,000 of them were thrown out of their houses and properties. 200 villages were bombed with chemical weapons. 4500 villages were totally destroyed and 180000 were killed. no one came to help. kurdistan is now split into 3 countries : irak, turkey and iran...their population is about 5 millions.
they are spread in iraq as shown in the image below
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there were wars over these territories since ancient worlds and probably before...today ive read a paper saying now whats at stake is the whole capitalist system...being challenged by russia and china. 20 years from now china will need todays world oil demand for itself only. usa cannot see saudi arabia as safe partners for oil supplying...so basically the war is between a coalition of the 5 biggest western oil companies fighting for drilling and pumping rights againsts russian and chinese companies. whats at stake is the western style of life...a few making so much money they cant spend it all during their life time...as many as possible who work and buy and who pay for the state and money to run...and the left over who are not strong enough to survive, therefore not worthed to be saved.
we send soldiers to serve our way of life !
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Date: 2007/03/03 13:56
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By: theoneandonly
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Nice graphic
Derrick!
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Re:current events - whats your opinion
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Date: 2007/03/03 15:50
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By: Summ
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Oh yes I knew already what Shiits and sunnits where, although in ur post was some info I dindt knew yet , for example the human shield  . But what I made up of Chemicals post another war between them is expected?? Like with the fall of Hussein, may the Shiites come in rebellion to the smaller group of Sunnits in Irak, and will Syria, Iran and so get involved?
And does this have to do with the USA-Irak and other countries struggle for oil?
we send soldiers to serve our way of life !
With that you are the opinion the war was there only to get a better grip on the oil supplies? Because if the war was there for that, very well more wars may follow..
About the oil, we all need it, but don't you think there already inventions for cars and plains and so that does not require oil??
I personally think there are, but its just that the costs are really high to have that for every car, every plane and so, and that it does not make enough profit...
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Date: 2007/03/03 16:04
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By: FlameRiot
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The cost of alternative fuels and materials is expensive because those are technologies which nobody wants to put money on them, they already put their money on war and oil, you think the most powerful people who get rich everyday from oil are gonna put money down on scientific research for alternative technologies?, If it were like that, everything would be even cheaper than oil cause alternative resources are from nature and are of course recyclable.
One more important thing, remember what I told you about conquering and maintaining a whole line like a dynasty? Check this links about Bush and Oil:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0111-01.htm
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Date: 2007/03/03 20:05
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By: chemical_flare
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Yes Summ, a war in the M.E. between Shi'ites and Sunnis wouldn't surprise anyone at this point. The Shi'ites (in Iran and some in Iraq and Syria) feel oppressed by the larger group of Sunnis, and they've felt this way throughout history.
The Saudis and other Sunni countries are already bulking up their militaries to counter Iran, Saudi recently purchased 72 eurofighter fighter aircraft from the UK, and Iran recently purchased TOR-M1 air defense systems from Russia. They're arming themselves for war.
Iran had luck in Iraq, the Sunnis were stupid enough to boycott the first elections, so the Sunnis gained almost complete control, which they still pretty much have.
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