Nothing can keep you from heaven unless you denounce or turn away from the Fathers name. JESUS said "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16). Jesus doesn't leave anyone out when he says this, not the prostitutes, the thieves, the murderers, not even the homosexuals. (This is how my pastor explained it, its kind of sad that he considers being a homosexual equal to being a murderer :/) As long as you believe that Jesus was born and died on the cross to save us, then you will have a spot in paradise. However, without that belief no faith can be.

-ben

This is something that I have been struggling with for a long time. Before I even considered that I was homosexual or bisexual. I definitely believe that there is a place for homosexuals in the church.

Jesus extended his love to all people, if prostitutes and murderers are accepted, how can homosexuals not?

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I asked my pastors why being homosexual was a sin. They told me that it's a sin because we are not doing what our bodies are meant to be doing; Reproducing.

Well if that's the case, then isn't a heterosexual couple wearing a condom a sin? Or using birth control. They are not doing what their bodies are meant to be doing. They are stopping it all together.

so according to christianity, peoples soul purpose is to reproduce, sing to god, and then die. i myself do not believe in god, i'm not going to say that it's wrong by any means(just making myself clear, i've been accused of saying christianity was wrong)but no where in the bible is the word homosexual printed, no where, it was assumed that at soddom and gammorah the population was homosexual, assumed, not confirmed(i grew up in a christrian home, yet do not believe)so saying that homosexuality is a sin is simply an assumption. but also to say that humans soul purpose is to populate the earth is bull shit.

Of course they go together...to God every sin is the same and the only sin that gives you a straght ticket to hell is if you commit suicide. If you come out and the church doesn't want you to come anymore just keep going thier show them you are the same person as you were before. I mean someone can still go to their church if they commit adultrey but someone who like someone their own gender can't!?!? now there is something wrong with that lol

Bible- humping Christians are nothing but hypocrites.

They have absolutely no right in calling themselves "Christians", because they themselves have no Christ-like atrributes.

No where in the Bible is Jesus himself quoted denouncing the act of homosexuality, it is infact only the MEN who WROTE the book that call it a sin. I believe however Jesus is quoted in saying to rip out your eye and cast it away if one has a lustful thought.

There are numbers of bible verses denouncing acts regarding heterosexuality that thousands of straight people commit everyday like adultery, yet I see no riots in the street against them.
What self-infatuated pricks.

So yes, you have every right to call yourself a Christian if an adulterer, murderer, and any other person in this world who has a lustful thought can.

I have read several people asking the question "does god think homosexuality is a sin"?

Ummm how would you know what god thinks, do you talk to him?

And as to the question of the Bible and homosexuality, why would you live your life according to a book written 2,000 years ago?

I don't care what the bible says about homosexuality, I live my life according to my own will, not a book about an invisible man in the sky.

Of course you can, Iam a gay male and a catholic..

Homosexuality is not a heaven or hell issue..In christian bible it is the same as any sin..Greed, everything. And we do sins everday..Its not the "Unforgivable sin" like homophobes say it is.

The only unforgivable sin is not accepting Christ into your life, if you accept him, then as the bible says

"Nothing can snatch you from My Hand"

Catholics and eveyone do sins everday, we cannot stop it completely, but homophobes will use it against us like everything else..

As long as we greive our sins and ask for forgivness, and accept Christ, we shall go to Heaven.


Just my 2 cents<br /><br />Post edited by: Scampet, at: 2007/07/20 09:39

People can't be born doomed to eternal damnation...that's not even Biblical. If Christians are right, then every gay person is simply immoral no matter who they are and how much kindness, compassion, and charity they project. Luckily, Christians are wrong. There's a blatant dichotomy among the so-called &quot;Christians&quot; who teach about Christ's love but extend none of it to gay people. They have no Christ-like attributes themselves. And obviously I'm not talking about ALL Christians...I myself am Christian--but being Christian, I'm heavily entrinched in the atmosphere and it is NOT one of acceptance by any means.

Homosexuality is not a sin. In the beginning God created love, and it doesn't matter who is on the receiving end of it. That's my two-cents.

I've spent my life going to religious schools from kindergarten through my bachelor's degree, I never attended a public or secular school. As such I've gotten a wide variety of viewpoints on Christianity, as I attended schools from 5 different denominations, and I tended to befriend the people who didn't believe in the religion.

One thing that truly solidified in my education was that anybody can take a look at the Bible and pull out a message by quoting things out of context (whether textual or historical). Some &quot;christian&quot; groups even rewrite and retranslate their own versions of the Bible to add or remove things that could potentially cause their beliefs problems.

The most helpful thing I have found is to read an accepted version of the Bible (I like New International Version and New King James Version). I also keep a copy of the Bible around with a literal translation from the original languages along with any appropriate alternate meanings for words and phrases. Using these resources I feel more equipped to see the Bible in as unbiased of context as possible.

All that said, I don't actually attend a church at the moment, but if I were, I think I would try the Metropolitan Community Church. They have a good deal of support for the homosexual community and on their site they offer explanations of the &quot;problem&quot; verses along with their original historical and literary context.

66 books, and the Bible can be condensed to four words: &quot;Love God, Love others.&quot;

I may not like homophobes and they may not like me, but that's not going to stop me from loving them as God's creations, just as I pray they love me the same way.

I think there's good and bad in religion, like anything really. I don't think the principal of religion helps the world we live in, in any way, good people would do good things without religion but evil people find empowerment within religion.

I don't have any problems with liberal christianity, there've even been times when I've defended it (me being a firm athiest), people have a right to practice their religion which I respect. What I don't respect are fundamentalist right wingers, who by exercising their right to religion are infringing or at least trying to infringe our right to freedom of sexual choice.

You also need to ask yourself why homosexuality struggles for acceptance today, homophibic views don't just grow on trees. In some ancient civilisations homosexuality was considered perfectly normal, proving that it's not a natural preset that homosexuality is marginalised in society.